Does This Really Glorify Jesus Christ?

[Athanasius]

I ask you to prayerfully seek the Lord, and ask Him if this glorifies Jesus Christ.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDRMn...eature=related

Or, does this glorify the Risen Jesus?:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gt9Gr...eature=related

Which video places your spirit in a place to praise the risen Christ? Which video exalts a human being?

People, what has become of reverence? What has become of the Words of God?

But the LORD is in his holy temple: let all the earth keep silence before him. Hab. 2:20.

Are you not seeking after false signs and wonders? Emotional highs are control features of cults. Hare Krishnas prancing around in their self-hypnotic dancing - this is no different from what is seen in the first video. Why do you think all those people in Jonestown drank poison Kool-aid, because they were thinking clearly? Ask yourself, which environment in the two videos above would be more conducive to manipulating people into drinking a deadly drug "with a fatal pleasure?" Read my signature line and think

Come to your senses, folk, before it is too late.

[Athanasius]

P.S.

Of course, there's always this "edfication" which took place at Bentley's "revival" in Lakeland:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93398rf6DcU

(Looks like stuff one might see in a club in the City)

Does this really seem to be much different from this, folks:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_q8FNH4LYo

Has Christianity really been reduced to this?

[JC33andDivine]

Originally Posted by Athanasius

I ask you to prayerfully seek the Lord, and ask Him if this glorifies Jesus Christ.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDRMn...eature=related

Or, does this glorify the Risen Jesus?:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gt9Gr...eature=related

Which video places your spirit in a place to praise the risen Christ? Which video exalts a human being?

People, what has become of reverence? What has become of the Words of God?

But the LORD is in his holy temple: let all the earth keep silence before him. Hab. 2:20.

Are you not seeking after false signs and wonders? Emotional highs are control features of cults. Hare Krishnas prancing around in their self-hypnotic dancing - this is no different from what is seen in the first video. Why do you think all those people in Jonestown drank poison Kool-aid, because they were thinking clearly? Ask yourself, which environment in the two videos above would be more conducive to manipulating people into drinking a deadly drug "with a fatal pleasure?" Read my signature line and think

Come to your senses, folk, before it is too late.

I have not seen much of this Bentley. But from what I have seen I did not like. He claims to communicate with angels..? In fact, doesn't he say..."THE angel"....

Muhammed and Joseph Smith claim to have been communicating with a angel too..we know how that turned out.

I was introduced to Christianity through the WOF or Charismatic movement..so I am eternally gratefull.....However, after "stepping out in faith" and having nothing happen to me but gigantic dissapointment, I moved on from that as I now have serious doubts about that brand of Christianity. If it does not bring glory to God then I want no part of it.

[mysticreveler]

Originally Posted by Athanasius

I ask you to prayerfully seek the Lord, and ask Him if this glorifies Jesus Christ.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDRMn...eature=related

Or, does this glorify the Risen Jesus?:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gt9Gr...eature=related

Which video places your spirit in a place to praise the risen Christ? Which video exalts a human being?

People, what has become of reverence? What has become of the Words of God?

But the LORD is in his holy temple: let all the earth keep silence before him. Hab. 2:20.

Are you not seeking after false signs and wonders? Emotional highs are control features of cults. Hare Krishnas prancing around in their self-hypnotic dancing - this is no different from what is seen in the first video. Why do you think all those people in Jonestown drank poison Kool-aid, because they were thinking clearly? Ask yourself, which environment in the two videos above would be more conducive to manipulating people into drinking a deadly drug "with a fatal pleasure?" Read my signature line and think

Come to your senses, folk, before it is too late.

Originally Posted by Athanasius

P.S.

Of course, there's always this "edfication" which took place at Bentley's "revival" in Lakeland:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93398rf6DcU

(Looks like stuff one might see in a club in the City)

Does this really seem to be much different from this, folks:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_q8FNH4LYo

Has Christianity really been reduced to this?

Originally Posted by JC33andDivine

I have not seen much of this Bentley. But from what I have seen I did not like. He claims to communicate with angels..? In fact, doesn't he say..."THE angel"....

Muhammed and Joseph Smith claim to have been communicating with a angel too..we know how that turned out.

I was introduced to Christianity through the WOF or Charismatic movement..so I am eternally gratefull.....However, after "stepping out in faith" and having nothing happen to me but gigantic dissapointment, I moved on from that as I now have serious doubts about that brand of Christianity. If it does not bring glory to God then I want no part of it.

(Lev 10:1) And Nadab and Abihu, the sons of Aaron, took either of them his censer, and put fire therein, and put incense thereon, and offered strange fire before the LORD, which he commanded them not.

(Num 3:4) And Nadab and Abihu died before the LORD, when they offered strange fire before the LORD, in the wilderness of Sinai, and they had no children: and Eleazar and Ithamar ministered in the priest's office in the sight of Aaron their father.

(Num 26:61) And Nadab and Abihu died, when they offered strange fire before the LORD.

how does this foolishness glorify God and edify the Body? we are the Body, and we have to come against such satanic teaching. we must intercede with God's Word, and with prayer and fasting,,, for such as this does not come out but by prayer and fasting. todd bentley mocks God,,, now i'm a fool for Christ, but i'm not stupid for Christ, i'm not gullible for Christ. if Christians cannot discern the nature of this "movement" then the Body is decaying on the bone folks.

let us get real about the gospel, and be the example of grace,,, and of what is the gospel of peace. for God has given us the Spirit of love, and power and a sound mind.

todd bentley is the spirit of anti-Christ (no, i'm not claiming that he is THE anti-Christ). Peace, in His love, joe

[Athanasius]

Originally Posted by mysticreveler

(Lev 10:1) And Nadab and Abihu, the sons of Aaron, took either of them his censer, and put fire therein, and put incense thereon, and offered strange fire before the LORD, which he commanded them not.

(Num 3:4) And Nadab and Abihu died before the LORD, when they offered strange fire before the LORD, in the wilderness of Sinai, and they had no children: and Eleazar and Ithamar ministered in the priest's office in the sight of Aaron their father.

(Num 26:61) And Nadab and Abihu died, when they offered strange fire before the LORD.

how does this foolishness glorify God and edify the Body? we are the Body, and we have to come against such satanic teaching. we must intercede with God's Word, and with prayer and fasting,,, for such as this does not come out but by prayer and fasting. todd bentley mocks God,,, now i'm a fool for Christ, but i'm not stupid for Christ, i'm not gullible for Christ. if Christians cannot discern the nature of this "movement" then the Body is decaying on the bone folks.

let us get real about the gospel, and be the example of grace,,, and of what is the gospel of peace. for God has given us the Spirit of love, and power and a sound mind.

todd bentley is the spirit of anti-Christ (no, i'm not claiming that he is THE anti-Christ). Peace, in His love, joe

Bentley has also claimed that his ministry, Fresh Fire, carrys the Ark of God's glory, and I put up a thread on that. Why can't people see the blasphemy in that? It seems they'll let him get away with anything, just so he entertains them and tickles their ears. Today we see a time when people flee from sound doctrine into the arms of false prophets with their empty promises and twisted gospels.

[onelamb]

Yes we should discern messages and if we are in the bible we will know what to take and what to throw out. But let us be slow to tear down these people and their ministries. Instead we should be praying and asking God to bless these people, their followers, that God's word and wisdom prevail and they not be deceived. That needs to be our attitude. Remember our battle is with satan. He is our accuser., not each other-when we become the accuser of the bretheren we are doing satans work.

In that, we must be careful also not to "approve" what God does not approve, but acknowledge , in humility, that God does ALLOW ministries to exist and even brings forth fruit from such ministries-----not because of the men in those ministries, but IN SPITE of those men. We need to not be so "man focused"--------ie; who is a great teacher, who should I listen to, who should I cut down with every word I speak etc, etc........but be God focused/Word focused. ALL men will disappoint----guaranteed 100%. However, God, when one truly knows Him---at least as much as one could in this fallible flesh, He will not disappoint...........HE is the one who is all powerful, in control---making PERFECT judgments. That is comforting.........

[Bob Carabbio]

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[Bob Carabbio]

Nice building - pageantry, pomp and circumstance do turn some folks on - Now we know what you like.

SO - "Glorifying the Lord" is defined as a bunch of uninvolved spectators standing and watching a carefully choreographed, and orchestrated liturgical performance in an architecturally aesthetic building??

Oh well - to each his own -

Frankly, I like my worship a bit more "warm blooded", thank you.

[Athanasius]

Originally Posted by Bob Carabbio

Nice building - pageantry, pomp and circumstance do turn some folks on - Now we know what you like.

SO - "Glorifying the Lord" is defined as a bunch of uninvolved spectators standing and watching a carefully choreographed, and orchestrated liturgical performance in an architecturally aesthetic building??

Oh well - to each his own -

Frankly, I like my worship a bit more "warm blooded", thank you.

So, you think that all Christians who particpate in liturgical worship and don't jump around, scream, yell, wave banners and jump over pews are uninvolved? Don't you know anything about worshipping "in the Spirit?" Or does it all have to be outward gyrations to be meaningful to you?

[vja4Him]

Here we go again ... another counterfeit revival .... Anyone interested can read my commentary on the Lakeland Revival:

Andrews Angelfire Blogs August 2008 (on Todd Bentley and the Bible)

-- vja4Him
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[james]

Originally Posted by vja4Him

Here we go again ... another counterfeit revival .... Anyone interested can read my commentary on the Lakeland Revival:

Andrews Angelfire Blogs August 2008 (on Todd Bentley and the Bible)

-- vja4Him
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***Very good write up vj and it's right on mark. Some here are totally "discernless" and have no backbone. They won't speak out against this man and his heretical teachings as well as his connections to other false teachers/prophets. And if you read many of the post you will see that speaking out against evil in whatever form it takes is "frowned" upon around here. There's alot of "lukewarmness" and middle of the road people around here that would rather "eat the meat and spit out the bones" of this man andothers like him.

***You see some around here seem to think that you have to show (what their perception of love is) in how you confront false teachers/prophets. In other words, the manner in which one exposes these false teachers is more important to them than actually exposing or calling a spade a spade. Welcome to the boards and keep up the good work.

In God the Son,
james

[Bob Carabbio]

I worship "in the Spirit" much more easily in the car with a good tape with music, or the Bible playing. I personally don't have much use for liturgical distractions.

But some folks "groove" on it - so good for them. Not my cup of tea, though,

[angels496]

Originally Posted by Athanasius

P.S.

Of course, there's always this "edfication" which took place at Bentley's "revival" in Lakeland:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93398rf6DcU

(Looks like stuff one might see in a club in the City)

Does this really seem to be much different from this, folks:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_q8FNH4LYo

Has Christianity really been reduced to this?

it is a shame that so many can't tell deception when it raises its ugly head

[Athanasius]

Originally Posted by Bob Carabbio

I worship "in the Spirit" much more easily in the car with a good tape with music, or the Bible playing. I personally don't have much use for liturgical distractions.

But some folks "groove" on it - so good for them. Not my cup of tea, though,

I don't "groove" on worship. Sounds like something out of Woodstock.

If you read the Didache, you'll know that the earliest form of Christian worship was absolutely liturgical.

[onelamb]

Originally Posted by Athanasius

I don't "groove" on worship. Sounds like something out of Woodstock.

If you read the Didache, you'll know that the earliest form of Christian worship was absolutely liturgical.

Oh contrar-the earliest form of Christian worship was very much unliturgical..

When you come together, each one has a hymn, a lesson, a revelation, a tongue, or an interpretation. Let all things be done for building up. 27 If any speak in a tongue, let there be only two or at most three, and each in turn, and let someone interpret. 28 But if there is no one to interpret, let each of them keep silent in church and speak to himself and to God. 29 Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others weigh what is said. 30 If a revelation is made to another sitting there, let the first be silent. 31 For you can all prophesy one by one, so that all may learn and all be encouraged, 32 and the spirits of prophets are subject to prophets. 33 For God is not a God of confusion but of peace.


But hey, whatever floats your boat-as long as you are worshiping in Spirit and in Truth.

[JC33andDivine]

Originally Posted by onelamb

Oh contrar-the earliest form of Christian worship was very much unliturgical..

When you come together, each one has a hymn, a lesson, a revelation, a tongue, or an interpretation. Let all things be done for building up. 27 If any speak in a tongue, let there be only two or at most three, and each in turn, and let someone interpret. 28 But if there is no one to interpret, let each of them keep silent in church and speak to himself and to God. 29 Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others weigh what is said. 30 If a revelation is made to another sitting there, let the first be silent. 31 For you can all prophesy one by one, so that all may learn and all be encouraged, 32 and the spirits of prophets are subject to prophets. 33 For God is not a God of confusion but of peace.


But hey, whatever floats your boat-as long as you are worshiping in Spirit and in Truth.

Interesting, you are attempting to use a letter of REPRIMAND to prove your point? The Corinthians were out of control and Paul is correcting them. I have seen videos of Christians rolling around the isles barking like dogs and claiming to be drunk in the Spirit. I don't know if that's what they were doing to cause such reprimand, but i don't see how that kind of stuff glorifies God.

I noticed you forget to list verse 40 of that chapter:

1 Corinthians 14:40 (Amplified Bible)

40But all things should be done with regard to decency and propriety and in an orderly fashion.

Athanasius is correct, the early worship was more liturgical and the Christians believed in the real presence of the Lord in the Holy Eucharist. Whatever style we choose should be decent and we should be bringing glory to God.

[Athanasius]

Originally Posted by onelamb

Oh contrar-the earliest form of Christian worship was very much unliturgical..

When you come together, each one has a hymn, a lesson, a revelation, a tongue, or an interpretation. Let all things be done for building up. 27 If any speak in a tongue, let there be only two or at most three, and each in turn, and let someone interpret. 28 But if there is no one to interpret, let each of them keep silent in church and speak to himself and to God. 29 Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others weigh what is said. 30 If a revelation is made to another sitting there, let the first be silent. 31 For you can all prophesy one by one, so that all may learn and all be encouraged, 32 and the spirits of prophets are subject to prophets. 33 For God is not a God of confusion but of peace.


But hey, whatever floats your boat-as long as you are worshiping in Spirit and in Truth.

The earliest form of worship was the breaking of bread and prayer, not disorderly demonstrations of "gifts," which Paul here rebukes.

[caleb411]

Originally Posted by Athanasius

The earliest form of worship was the breaking of bread and prayer, not disorderly demonstrations of "gifts," which Paul here rebukes.

The Lord's supper was a time of fellowship, singing, psalms and sometimes over eating and drinking.... for which Paul corrected the church.... it was a meal, not a wafer and wine..... nothing liturgical about it, that came with Constantine's idea of church.....

[caleb411]

Originally Posted by Athanasius

I don't "groove" on worship. Sounds like something out of Woodstock.

If you read the Didache, you'll know that the earliest form of Christian worship was absolutely liturgical.

Personally, I'd remove that stick before someone gets hurt..... the joy of the Lord is our strength, eat drink and be merry, ........ when you have a great love for someone, you'll feel it.... you'll desire to express it, in writing, thoughts, words, prayers, worship, songs, movements.... as David did, who was a man after God's own heart..... be blessed, andrea

[onelamb]

Originally Posted by Athanasius

The earliest form of worship was the breaking of bread and prayer, not disorderly demonstrations of "gifts," which Paul here rebukes.

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Who said anything about "disorderly demonstrations of gifts"? What you really mean is any demonstration of gifts that you yourself rebuke-not Paul-you.