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  • #31
    Originally posted by William C. View Post
    I hardly believe that those who wrote the scriptures gathered them like manna, as they fell out of the sky. But of course, you and yours must suppress the importance and value of the holy Scriptures to let the light shine on the org..
    No, the Scriptures were planned out, the Holy Spirit moving men to write what He wanted. It was no private interpretation of any man, nor does any writer claim any different. They agree with each other, many being written years from each other, and some distance between them. Your RCC did not write them, but like to try and take credit for such.
    You have been programmed to believe that your RCC org. was apostolic, it was not. Your particular org. came to fruition in the fourth century, a long way away from the apostolic era. You could learn a valuable lesson from the apostle era, in that they never suppressed the Scriptures to lift up any church. They never had a separation of Scripture and Tradition, as their tradition was the preaching and teaching of the Gospel... the Word of God... the testimony of Jesus.... what we call the Scriptures... delivered orally or written form.
    Your org. believes that God could not have accomplished His plan without the RCC... you would be wrong! Gods plan is not limited to any man, woman, or organization. It will go forward according to His will... and your RCC just can't believe this! As far as the Scriptures as a collective are concerned, they were recognized long before the RCC ever called them canon.
    You want irony? Paul knew the counterfeit working was taking shape in his day, and spoke how it would evolve... arise from a real church, yet speaking contrary doctrine against the real doctrines of truth. He also knew that when the Restrainer was taken out of the way (Imperial Rome), then the mystery of iniquity that was already working at that time would be revealed. It would be recognized as not receiving the love of the truth, and God would send them strong error, that they should believe a lie. Your org. came to light from the foundation of the original church of Rome.... the one Paul visited... the one who was already organized without Peter or Paul. Mix in a little pressure from the Emperors to worship them, syncretize pagan practices, and the once recognized church at Rome becomes the RCC.
    Your org. suppresses the truths of Scripture to lift itself up as equal or above Scripture, God's Word... exactly how God described it..... that's irony!
    The Church codified the very Scriptures you read to try and usurp your interpretation over hers. The thing is, everyone thinks their interpretation is right. Yet it was the Church that gave you the Scriptures you quabble over to begin with. That's the irony.
    In nomine Patris et Fillii et Spiritus Sancti. Amen.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by thatcatholicguy View Post

      How do you know anything about Jesus apart from the Church? You're taking a lot of things for granted.



      How would you know what Acts 4:12 even says without the Church?
      The gospel flourished quite well before pentecost and before a collection of books we call the bible. The apostles and by extension those saved by the gospel they preached didn't need to carry a bible from house to house just the good news. You know those verses in Luke 10 catholics always take out of context? The seventy went with nothing, nothing but the good news of Jesus. Nothing about the church, or a pope or sacraments, just Jesus. Too bad your church (which is NOT the n.t. church) has cluttered up the gospel to be unrecognizable to the masses.
      Eph 5:11 And do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them NASB

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Nondenom40 View Post

        The gospel flourished quite well before pentecost and before a collection of books we call the bible. The apostles and by extension those saved by the gospel they preached didn't need to carry a bible from house to house just the good news. You know those verses in Luke 10 catholics always take out of context? The seventy went with nothing, nothing but the good news of Jesus. Nothing about the church, or a pope or sacraments, just Jesus. Too bad your church (which is NOT the n.t. church) has cluttered up the gospel to be unrecognizable to the masses.
        Are you saying that there's such a thing as the word of God that's not in the Bible ... since a Bible didn't exist?

        We're making progress!
        In nomine Patris et Fillii et Spiritus Sancti. Amen.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by thatcatholicguy View Post

          It's the same Church.
          No it's not. The head of the RCC is the pope. The head of true church of the Lord Jesus Christ is Jesus.
          “See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces of this world rather than on Christ” – Colossians 2:8

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Julio191 View Post
            We evangelicals are glad that we do not fix ourhope on a churchbut onJesus Christ our Saviour and Lord. Praise God!!!
            Amen, Julio!!
            “See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces of this world rather than on Christ” – Colossians 2:8

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            • #36
              Originally posted by thatcatholicguy View Post
              How do you know anything about Jesus apart from the Church? You're taking a lot of things for granted.
              How does a catholic know anything about Him thru the RCC? They spend a lot more time on Mary, the popes, the RCC org and the dead 'saints' than they do Jesus. and then, it's 'things about' Him, not Him. No one knows Jesus until they are born again.

              catholics take a lot for granted - like that the RCC is telling them the truth. They aren't.


              How would you know what Acts 4:12 even says without the Church?
              easy... we read it. you needed the RCC in order to know what it says? sorry to hear that.

              Acts 4:12

              12 Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.
              "I was changed, redeemed, forgiven before the blood was dry.

              The debt I owed was canceled in the twinkling of an eye."

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Raynebeau View Post
                According to the Catechism of the [Roman] Catholic Church - #846:

                "Outside the [Roman] Catholic Church there is no salvation."
                This begs the question of 'what about the apostles, Christ's disciples and the untold millions of true Christians who never stepped foot in a Roman Catholic Church, but accepted Jesus Christ, and His atoning death at Calvary as the exclusive reason for their salvation'?
                They are in the same category as the Muslims.
                "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose." Jim Elliot

                "There is no pit so deep that God's love is not deeper still." Betsy ten Boom

                "God in His deepest mystery is not a solitude, but a family, since He has in Himself fatherhood, sonship, and the essence of the family, which is love." John Paul II

                ’Then Mary said, ‘Here am I, the servant of the Lord; let it be with me according to your word.’ One of the greatest responses in all of scripture.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by thatcatholicguy View Post

                  Are you saying that there's such a thing as the word of God that's not in the Bible ... since a Bible didn't exist?

                  We're making progress!
                  The gospel that was preached is found in the word of God. Unless you have a gospel thats not in scripture? Oh wait, you do. Never mind.
                  Eph 5:11 And do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them NASB

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by rldlolbeding View Post

                    They are in the same category as the Muslims.
                    nope. that's your pope's false ruling. we're the real thing.
                    "I was changed, redeemed, forgiven before the blood was dry.

                    The debt I owed was canceled in the twinkling of an eye."

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by kmerian View Post

                      One problem, that is not what 846 says:


                      847 answers your question:
                      I wonder if he caught the part about the Church, "is necessary for salvation"? Sacred Scripture says it in Luke 10:16. So, if they don't enter the Church how can they "hear Christ"?

                      JoeT
                      Sigillum Militum Χρisti
                      "Truth exists. The Incarnation happened."

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Nondenom40 View Post

                        The gospel that was preached is found in the word of God. Unless you have a gospel thats not in scripture? Oh wait, you do. Never mind.
                        What gospel is that?
                        In nomine Patris et Fillii et Spiritus Sancti. Amen.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by JoeT View Post

                          I wonder if he caught the part about the Church, "is necessary for salvation"? Sacred Scripture says it in Luke 10:16. So, if they don't enter the Church how can they "hear Christ"?

                          JoeT
                          You are telling the world
                          about the lack of Catholic propaganda in the streets.


                          As if we didn't know,
                          that you don't have the good news.

                          Keep it up; that "New Evanglization" as you call it
                          Thus says the Lord:
                          You have no case
                          since you accepted those
                          in the papacy's compilation of the canon
                          who weren't capable of writing the word of God.

                          Those tares lacked the anointing of the apostles
                          I chose.

                          [not foundational (Eph 2:20), not set apart (Eph 3:5)]



                          the inhabitants of the earth were made drunk
                          with the wine of
                          the harlot's fornication (Rev 17:2).

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by kelvin View Post

                            If the "true Christians" are untold, how do you you know about them?
                            Try to avoid worrying about that, and focus on the OP that is posted for discussion.
                            RC's do know God, but the Bible indicates that it is a knowledge in condemnation, a knowledge enabling them to know things about themselves and the world around them, even though they suppress the truth of God which makes such knowledge possible.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by thatcatholicguy View Post

                              It's the same Church.
                              No it is not. ONLY in the minds of Roman Catholics is it the same Church...... but nice try.
                              RC's do know God, but the Bible indicates that it is a knowledge in condemnation, a knowledge enabling them to know things about themselves and the world around them, even though they suppress the truth of God which makes such knowledge possible.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by rldlolbeding View Post

                                They are in the same category as the Muslims.
                                LOL rldl. And what "category" would that be?
                                RC's do know God, but the Bible indicates that it is a knowledge in condemnation, a knowledge enabling them to know things about themselves and the world around them, even though they suppress the truth of God which makes such knowledge possible.

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