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  1. So...you are against capital punishment, but you...

    So...you are against capital punishment, but you are just fine and dandy with mob attacks on unarmed men?

    .................and yes, the mob thought that JS and company was unarmed, and they may as...
  2. We know that the guy who was shot in the face...

    We know that the guy who was shot in the face lived because he was actually PUT ON TRIAL FOR JS/ MURDER AND AQUITTED!

    I mean, really?

    Tell me: we know the names of the guys who were shot. We do...
  3. They should not be, in my opinion. However, this...

    They should not be, in my opinion. However, this is CARM and the rules are different here. Personal comments are allowed. I do not see them as logical responses to a post, even though I fall into...
  4. I made a claim. I supported it with the proper...

    I made a claim. I supported it with the proper citation.

    What do you want me to do, post the contents of the book? GO LOOK AT IT.
    I mean, really.

    If I DID do something like that, you...
  5. I wish you were wrong.

    I wish you were wrong.
  6. Oh...and as for the reason used to put Joseph...

    Oh...and as for the reason used to put Joseph under arrest? Several people were tried for destroying that printing press later that year. They were acquitted. That does not bode well for all of those...
  7. It actually isn't, in terms of the...

    It actually isn't, in terms of the accuracy/truthfulness of the respective belief systems, no.
    It is only relevant in this context; when the MMM or other perceived 'bad acts' by Mormons are brought...
  8. Y'know, Magdalena, I have a couple of graduate...

    Y'know, Magdalena, I have a couple of graduate degrees and spent a good deal of time as an assistant to post doctorate professors doing research for their works. It has always been my experience that...
  9. ....so that the rest of the "Christian' world can...

    ....so that the rest of the "Christian' world can distance itself from their actions, mean and murderous as they may be, so that the 'real' Christians can say 'no true Christian would do...
  10. I haven't read all this thread, but.... If...

    I haven't read all this thread, but....

    If Martereros really does feel that he cannot, and will not, take up arms to harm another even in defense of his own, or his family's, life because he has...
  11. Yep, these are those from whom I would like an...

    Yep, these are those from whom I would like an apology.

    ....or at least an acknowledgement that those who actually, y'know, DID it, did a bad thing, and that if the MMM in any way proves Mormonism...
  12. I have already provided the cite for this: Marsh,...

    I have already provided the cite for this: Marsh, Debra, "Respectable Assassins: A Collective Biography and Socioeconomic Study of the Carthage Mob"

    This book has a very detailed account of the...
  13. .............and we don't believe that Jesus and...

    .............and we don't believe that Jesus and Satan have a special relationship....or even a relationship that is akin to the relationship WE have with Him. Yet facts don't seem to be an issue...
  14. If it is determined that he was not a 'martyr' in...

    If it is determined that he was not a 'martyr' in the view of those who shot him, and who think he got what he deserved, does that make his murder any less cowardly, dishonorable and utterly stupid? ...
  15. First, I don't particularly care whether anybody...

    First, I don't particularly care whether anybody sees Joseph as a "martyr." I don't see any particular heavenly advantage to being one. I DO believe that he was 'made a martyr' by those who killed...
  16. they have not done so on this thread, but a quick...

    they have not done so on this thread, but a quick search has some of the folks participating in THIS thread characterizing Joseph's murder with

    "bang bang bang thud thud thud" and making jokes...
  17. Actually, we do, most of them. But I thought...

    Actually, we do, most of them.

    But I thought it didn't matter what specific sect a Christian belonged to, as long as he wasn't Mormon? I thought a "Christian" could be a Baptist or a Presbyterian...
  18. Where did you respond to that post with anything...

    Where did you respond to that post with anything other than a personal comment?
  19. I call foul on that. OF COURSE it is directed...

    I call foul on that. OF COURSE it is directed toward a specific person. It is directed toward the person you have quoted...out of context.
  20. Now why am I reminded, in this thread, of my son...

    Now why am I reminded, in this thread, of my son at the age of five, who, upon being told he had to take a nap, began drumming his heels on the floor, put his fingers in his ears and shouted "I can't...
  21. Odd. You ARE aware that he hadn't been tried...

    Odd.

    You ARE aware that he hadn't been tried yet, right?

    Are you aware that when some Mormons were tried for breaking up that printing press, (not for treason) they were found not guilty?
    ...
  22. What did he witness? Someone told him that two...

    What did he witness?

    Someone told him that two had died? He doesn't claim to have seen them die. He says he was informed that two died. He was misinformed.
  23. Would you care to address the content of the...

    Would you care to address the content of the post, rather than make personal, disparaging, comments to me about it?
  24. I guess they will, and they did... But since...

    I guess they will, and they did...

    But since you have most of us on ignore you won't see it and will claim that nobody did.
  25. I find your comment here to be disingenuous,...

    I find your comment here to be disingenuous, deceitful and underhanded, oh....and I thought you had me on ignore?


    ANYWAY, you also took that quote absolutely out of context. Here is the context:...
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