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  1. The rapidity with which you beg the question of...

    The rapidity with which you beg the question of libertarian freedom is staggering. (1) I take this from your final question of whether it was predetermined by preceding causes or if it was free. ...
  2. Aside from LCF's abusive patronizing comments...

    Aside from LCF's abusive patronizing comments about analogies that were probably already assumed by all . . . As David1701 has already pointed out, this is a failure on LCF's part to properly...
  3. I'm still not following. You are saying that God...

    I'm still not following. You are saying that God being the ontological ground of being for creation (i.e. to create) makes Him "dependent" on that creation. It seems rather to be the reverse. We...
  4. I snipped quite a bit to point this out to you...

    I snipped quite a bit to point this out to you Akriboo. You seem to be both saying that if God has knowledge of all, then "only one programme," and on the other hand you are saying that this...
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    Context and Issue
    My prior post dealt with a few issues from a few initial observations from the opening post. Since then, I've had the opportunity to read the whole thing as well as to look at the...
  6. Like Bavinck's response, I think that your...

    Like Bavinck's response, I think that your translation of the exchange & what simpletruth was saying are not the same thing. For instance, your opening statement says, "But assuming that every...
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    Since this has already been answered from the...

    Since this has already been answered from the Calvinist side, then one could ask the reverse. How would it even be possible for God to answer such a prayer given contra-causal freedom? Wouldn't...
  8. Great posting! You are noticing the...

    Great posting! You are noticing the cherry-picking and the recycling of old downtrodden arguments as well.

    Near the end of your post you speak of the common "means" as well as "end" argument. ...
  9. And all of that has completely missed the point. ...

    And all of that has completely missed the point. You are simply saying "scholar" this and "scholar" that. Do you really expect us to pay attention to unsupported claims like this? What scholars? ...
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    I was taking a standard and running with it into...

    I was taking a standard and running with it into absurdity land (argument ad absurdum). The point was that if that standard was not qualified, then the standard of "inconsistent with the teaching to...
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    Understood. Your added (perhaps missed by me...

    Understood. Your added (perhaps missed by me previously) following context supports your point well.

    I'm just cautious about people being totally oblivious to the Creator/creature distinction,...
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    Simpletruth, I will have to disagree here. It...

    Simpletruth, I will have to disagree here. It does not necessarily follow that "if God told us not to love the world, then God himself would not say 'I so loved the world' if it was only speaking of...
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    I'm not sure how this question is relevant to the...

    I'm not sure how this question is relevant to the point I was making. I was critiquing a wrong standard: i.e. assuming that man and God are on the same level prescriptively.

    However, to answer...
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    God sending people to hell is inconsistent with...

    God sending people to hell is inconsistent with the teaching to "love your enemies". You are failing to note that God sets Himself on a different level than His creatures, just like parents are...
  15. Really?

    You stated, "By pointing out that MOST scholars and professors have supported my particular interpretation, I felt you could at least show the view point some level of respect and consideration."...
  16. The problems with the appeals to "scholars" is at...

    The problems with the appeals to "scholars" is at least three fold. (1) Most often I see you make this in an entirely unsupported manner. Any teacher will dock a student for making such baseless...
  17. Again, LCF is arguing in a circle, and he omitted...

    Again, LCF is arguing in a circle, and he omitted even dealing with the issues brought up concerning causality NOT being monolithic. He avoided the questions and begged the question again. In this...
  18. FALSE DICHOTOMY based upon an undefined...

    FALSE DICHOTOMY based upon an undefined understanding of causation(s), while presupposing contra-causal freedom to force the false dichotomy. Bolding added

    Again, you have again argued in a...
  19. All that this post is doing is overlaying the...

    All that this post is doing is overlaying the ideas of permission, sovereignty, and culpability with contra-causal freedom, and it omits and ignores other ways of understanding the terms. As a...
  20. Thank you Bavinck for stating what has been said...

    Thank you Bavinck for stating what has been said about a million times. :) This is amazingly typical unfortunately, and I'm referring to the misrepresentation issue. :(
  21. Absolutely! That is why you need to answer this...

    Absolutely! That is why you need to answer this since you believe that God made/created Adam. It applies to you perfectly, and it shows the absurdity of your reasoning. Try not to dodge. Why call...
  22. Why call Adam, "Adam," instead of God? lol ...

    Why call Adam, "Adam," instead of God? lol

    LCF, this is a very basic false dichotomy that you are employing. Further, you are also equivocating on the meaning of possession. It is our desire in...
  23. All in nearly the same breath you stated that it...

    All in nearly the same breath you stated that it was not assumed, but then you assumed it and begged the question by stating that it is necessary for responsibility, which is to assume libertarian...
  24. I mentioned the issue about God a few weeks back,...

    I mentioned the issue about God a few weeks back, and the best response that I received was that God could counter-factually choose between different goods, but this still has a whole host of...
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    Well, I've written this before, but I'll write it...

    Well, I've written this before, but I'll write it again. I know exactly how work takes away from interaction in this forum. So take your time, and thanks for taking the time to ponder and be...
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