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  1. lcf, You really need to learn how to listen to...

    lcf,

    You really need to learn how to listen to people, instead of only hearing your own ideas. Your post above is a perfect example of outrageous misrepresentation.

    You bring up the issue of...
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    Certainly, there are "various points," but they...

    Certainly, there are "various points," but they are connected.

    Two paragraphs makes a long post? :confused: Maybe if one is just learning to read. This is at least a more veiled attempt at...
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    Trying to get past red herrings

    If your "illustration" has nothing to do with the text at issue, then yes. How can you then call it an illustration of the text at all?

    Your abusive patronizing is noted. The second paragraph is...
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    Perhaps you would like to address the post now...

    Perhaps you would like to address the post now instead of red herrings? You addressed all the points other than the Scripture that I brought up, which was the point. How does a cop pull a speeder...
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    In what sense are you using the term...

    In what sense are you using the term "responsible" in your opening question? It important to iron out the various different senses of the term before even beginning to try and answer the question.
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    Verses like Ephesians 2:8 that indicate that the...

    Verses like Ephesians 2:8 that indicate that the believing act is itself a gift from God. Also, verses found in Acts 17, Colossians 1, and Hebrews 1:3 that show that human ultimacy is a myth. And...
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    Regarding the "straw man," I have repeatedly told...

    Regarding the "straw man," I have repeatedly told you what was the straw man. That "eventually" we have arrived at some sort of agreement after a bunch of added context and corrections really does...
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    I also wonder about how the cop scripture, oops,...

    I also wonder about how the cop scripture, oops, I mean "illustration" that LCF keeps using corresponds to this. "though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad-- in order...
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    It means that one intent, among others, was not a...

    It means that one intent, among others, was not a straw man. However, as expressed in the OP, they were a straw man.
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    Did you read what I wrote regarding praying for...

    Did you read what I wrote regarding praying for regeneration?
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    Which simply points to what I've already said...

    Which simply points to what I've already said about actions involving human ultimacy vs actions that are because of God's grace. I am perfectly aware of what Calvinists say on the issue. The point...
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    Rehash

    The opening post will be in red font, and my prior response will be in blue font. If I make a comment that has not been stated previously, then it will be in black, just like this sentence and the...
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    I gave you the "real" position and dealt directly...

    I gave you the "real" position and dealt directly with several comments from the opening post. Now, use some comprehension skills and comparison skills and compare what was written with the opening...
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    Which goes to show that you have no idea what I'm...

    Which goes to show that you have no idea what I'm critiquing. It is time to wake up from your fantasy land LCF.

    LCF couldn't God make atheism right? LCF couldn't God make cheerios grow wings and...
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    Honestly, I don't believe the op to be worthy of...

    Honestly, I don't believe the op to be worthy of any attention at all because of the straw man nature of it. However, you are a human being, and I'm often reminded lately of how we are supposed to...
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    Another straw man again? Presuming an...

    Another straw man again? Presuming an interpretive matter when the point was about the Bible governing one's Christianity as opposed to imaginative questions. Have you no shame at all? Hello! ...
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    This is probably up there with the best straw men...

    This is probably up there with the best straw men around, or worst, depending on how you look at it.
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    Hello! Wake up LCF! The BIBLE!!! God's word...

    Hello! Wake up LCF! The BIBLE!!! God's word tells us what to believe, not your "could God do x" questions. Please get your priorities right!
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    Amen! I'm not so sure why it is hard for LCF to...

    Amen! I'm not so sure why it is hard for LCF to understand that the Bible tells us what to believe.
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    Where in simpletruth's argument is a statement on...

    Where in simpletruth's argument is a statement on causation? Rather, certain knowledge of the future necessitates "certainty," regardless of what you think the cause is. Hence, "If God knows ahead...
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    I think that the issue comes from two different...

    I think that the issue comes from two different definitions of "option" and "available," and so LCF & simpletruth are talking past each other. However, I will leave simpletruth to clarify. That is...
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    It is an option that is present to the mind of...

    It is an option that is present to the mind of the person. The focus of your question comes from God's perspective rather than seeing that this is a multiperspectival issue, which includes man's...
  23. No, "your" response played a word game, and I've...

    No, "your" response played a word game, and I've already outlined how it was done.

    That you can arbitrarily repeat what I wrote does not make it substantive; it only means that you can parrot what...
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    Bolding was added by me to the quote above to...

    Bolding was added by me to the quote above to indicate what I'm responding to in this paragraph. Where, in this thread, did I put the emphasis where you say I did?

    Again, I am unsure who or what...
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    Well, I think that you are not following...

    Well, I think that you are not following Bahnsen's argument. He is pressing the assumption that there is actual evil in the world, and he is asking which worldview gives a legitimate foundation for...
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