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    Thanks! I'm on record saying I think one is...

    Thanks!

    I'm on record saying I think one is preferrable to the other - for the reason you stated; I think it's just CLEARER. But in MY opinion, the TEACHING is identical. Jesus is being...
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    I hope ALL can and do.... I am frequently on...

    I hope ALL can and do....

    I am frequently on record (for years here at CARM) as holding that this teaching (Mary - the God Bearer and Mary - the Mother of God) are obvioulsy not found per se in...
  3. I rejoice that in all the denials, in all the...

    I rejoice that in all the denials, in all the dogmatic impositions of ancient, pagan WRONG prescience theories to correct Jesus and Paul, nonetheless, Catholics have retained a belief that Jesus is...
  4. Thread: The magic wand

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    Gatecrasher - just let me add to my post above, I...

    Gatecrasher - just let me add to my post above, I apologize if I misunderstood you...
  5. Thread: Infant Baptism

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    There is no way for synergists and monergists to...

    There is no way for synergists and monergists to fundamentally agree...

    Friend, as long as you hold to this "but babeez CAN'T" theology, this insistent view that justification is synergistic, that...
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    Little question.... What, specifically, is the...

    Little question....

    What, specifically, is the sharp, large theological distinction between referring to Mary as "God bearer" and Mary as "Mother of God?" Would you please explain for me why...
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    Understood and agreed. But they DID refer to...

    Understood and agreed. But they DID refer to Jesus as God. And they did refer to Mary as the bearer of our Lord - the two affirmations of this title. If it's heresy, isn't it heresy? If it's not,...
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    Agreed. I'm seeking to understand the...

    Agreed.

    I'm seeking to understand the passionate condemnation as theological error, as heresy, stating/affirming that Jesus is God. AND/OR that Mary bore him.

    Is your point: If the one...
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    Nothing wrong that I can see.... .

    Nothing wrong that I can see....




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  10. Thread: The magic wand

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    Here's the discussion: Originally Posted by...

    Here's the discussion:

    Originally Posted by Gatecrasher http://forums.carm.org/vbb/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png
    That's fair enough. The...
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    No one does. But Jesus may be called God (unless...

    No one does. But Jesus may be called God (unless you hold that Thomas, Peter and Paul were heretical in John 20:28, 2 Peter 1:11, Titus 2:13)




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    I'll answer..... I don't know of too many...

    I'll answer..... I don't know of too many disciples that were not baptized or taught.
  13. Thread: The magic wand

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    My point EXACTLY. I'd add I also accept the...

    My point EXACTLY. I'd add I also accept the opposite: Those who know little, have studied little - have no right to hold themselves up as an expert, to authoritatively speak on the matter.



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    The title is not, "Mary - the Mother of the...

    The title is not, "Mary - the Mother of the Trinity." Nor is it, "Jesus is God."

    With all due respect to Rev. Slick, the title (and yes, it CAN be said it is ergo a teaching - I'll agree with...
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    Let me be sure I'm understanding.... So, it's...

    Let me be sure I'm understanding....

    So, it's not the teaching or title that is heretical, as is constantly claimed. Indeed, are you saying the teaching and title, per se, is theologically...
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    Then they might be best to not present oneself as...

    Then they might be best to not present oneself as an expert in science and speak authoritatively on such?

    And of course, I never said I had any theories about anything..... I simply challenged...
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    I'm a Christian scientist and I agree with me,...

    I'm a Christian scientist and I agree with me, lol.

    Look, I'm not an expert in Russian literature. My doctorate is in astrophysics. I think it would be WRONG (and foolish) for me to present...
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    Is it okay or theological heresy to reference...

    Is it okay or theological heresy to reference Jesus as God? See John 20:28, 2 Peter 1:11, Titus 2:13 before you answer.
    Is it okay or theological heresy to reference Mary as the mother of Jesus? ...
  19. There are 30 MILLION former RCC'ers just...

    There are 30 MILLION former RCC'ers just currently just in the USA alone. I'm one of them. About half of those in my Lutheran parish are of them. Of course, the RCC considers all Oriental and...
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    So, was Thomas (John 20:28), Peter (1 Peter 1:11)...

    So, was Thomas (John 20:28), Peter (1 Peter 1:11) and Paul (Titus 2:13) all heretical and wrong?
    Are the verses Christians have historically used to support the divinity of Jesus all heretical and...
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    As a scientist, I WISH theologians would stick to...

    As a scientist, I WISH theologians would stick to theology and stay out of science (especially when they present things in some authoritative way). It seems that perhaps the new "Pope" of the...
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    No one (known to me) states or claims that God is...

    No one (known to me) states or claims that God is Jesus or that Jesus is the Trinity.

    The title we are discussing is "Mary - the God Bearer" and "Mary - the Mother of God." There are two things...
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    So, in your view, was Thomas, Peter and Paul...

    So, in your view, was Thomas, Peter and Paul heretical to refer to Jesus as "GOD?"

    Was Luke wrong to refer to Mary as his mother?

    No, I think what Thomas, Peter and Paul said was "GOD." I...
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    Understood. It seems many modern American...

    Understood. It seems many modern American "Evangelicals" do. I'm TRYING to understand the heresy in referring to Jesus as God (as is done many times in the Bible, for example, John 20:28, 2 Peter...
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    I agree. Of course, no one does. Let's return...

    it is wrong to say God is Jesus[/QUOTE]


    I agree. Of course, no one does.

    Let's return to the two issues in this title.
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