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  1. So, how would you answer my three questions? ...

    So, how would you answer my three questions?

    Are either able to really see (perceive) any of the truth? No, but the hardened one will see even less.
    Are either able to really hear and understand...
  2. Nuh-huh... :rolleyes:

    Nuh-huh... :rolleyes:
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    Are Calvinists mentioned in my post? I was...

    Are Calvinists mentioned in my post? I was responding to another poster who seemed to be addressing the point of God's loving all, but not saving all. I think you misunderstood. However, since you...
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    Ok, so it would be as if Jesus is saying God so...

    Ok, so it would be as if Jesus is saying God so loved people of all nations in the world, not just Israel? Right? You are taking it more corporately than individualistically, correct?
  5. Translation: He disagreed with me.

    Translation: He disagreed with me.
  6. Yes sir.

    Yes sir.
  7. Non sequitur. I did not say God was obligated to...

    Non sequitur. I did not say God was obligated to do anything, but either a man doesn't believe truth because he is born unable to accept it by God's design, OR he chooses to trade the truth in for...
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    How about Thomas Watson? "We must...

    How about Thomas Watson?


    "We must distinguish of world. The word is taken either in a limited sense, for the world of the elect; or in a larger sense, for both elect and reprobates. “Christ...
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    So, can I presume you don't take "world" to mean...

    So, can I presume you don't take "world" to mean "the elect of the world?" What else is there then except "every individual of the world?" You will need to explain to me how your interpretation of...
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    Right. He provides the means for salvation. He...

    Right. He provides the means for salvation. He doesn't impose salvation on all. Just as the serpant lifted on the pole was provided for healing to whoever looked at it in faith, so too Christ was...
  11. And just as Pharaoh upon learning this truth, if...

    And just as Pharaoh upon learning this truth, if given the opportunity, might object to God saying, "What!? You used my unrighteousness to accomplish your plan!? Then why still blame me, if my...
  12. I've discussed this exact same point of...

    I've discussed this exact same point of contention with many Calvinists at the University and over discussion boards. There is nothing absurd about this line of questions and there is no reason we...
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    Bruiser, with all due respect I believe you have...

    Bruiser, with all due respect I believe you have plucked that verse from its context. Consider the fact that Jesus, while on earth, had only a select few that were chosen for the noble purpose of...
  14. Ok. Self, why are you not willing to do that? ...

    Ok. Self, why are you not willing to do that?

    Calvinistic answer: Because God decided not to grant you that desire.
    My Answer: I reasoned that one or the other had to be true and His Clay...
  15. You didn't address the question. I asked how his...

    You didn't address the question. I asked how his statement was different from what David said.
  16. I reject this premise because it suggests the...

    I reject this premise because it suggests the reason for doctrinal error among believers is because God hasn't made himself clear enough to be understood rightly. I believe it is man's fault for not...
  17. Love is patient. Love is kind. EDIT PER MOD

    Love is patient.
    Love is kind.

    EDIT PER MOD
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    FACT: All people are born in need of...

    FACT: All people are born in need of reconciliation due to the Fall. (I believe you'd agree with this point)
    FACT: God sent the gospel as a powerful appeal meant to beseech all people to be...
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    Theo, You have said, "You apparently assume...

    Theo,

    You have said, "You apparently assume that "world" in this context means, "every single individual", which begs the question... you ASSUME that "world" means "every single individual",...
  20. Exactly. Pharaoh was hardened to accomplish the...

    Exactly. Pharaoh was hardened to accomplish the first passover in the same way Israel was hardened to accomplish the second. That is what Romans 9 is about.
  21. Again, I don't believe you are understanding my...

    Again, I don't believe you are understanding my argument. I agree that both Jews and Gentiles are sinful and in need of salvation. But only one of them is being cut off and the other grafted in...
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    John 3:16-17: Interpretation of "world."

    Some have indicated that John 3:16 should be interpreted to mean:

    "16 "For God so loved the {elect of the} world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have...
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    I'm surprised not one of them is up for the...

    I'm surprised not one of them is up for the challenge...
  24. How is that statement different from Tozer's...

    How is that statement different from Tozer's quote:

    "God sovereignly decreed that man should be free to exercise moral choice, and man from the beginning has fulfilled that decree by making his...
  25. Which means nothing when one's highest preference...

    Which means nothing when one's highest preference is determined by someone else. You are just backing up determinism one step as if that takes care of the problem. If I hire a guy to kill someone...
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