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  1. the differnce between them is that Jesus said no...

    the differnce between them is that Jesus said no man could take his life...and that he could lay down his life and take it back (a claim that he fulfilled). All the others died and remained dead....
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    @abe simpson. Hi, I greatly appreciate the time...

    @abe simpson. Hi, I greatly appreciate the time you've spent typing out a lengthy reply. I think we are talking about 2 different things. (1) My point is that Israels stay on the land was purely...
  3. Crucifixion means to EXECUTE on the cross. It...

    Crucifixion means to EXECUTE on the cross. It ends in permanent death. We know Jesus laid down his own life momentarily and did not die of the crucifixion like the thieves. If he did, then Jesus...
  4. if Jesus gave his life (luke 23:46) and...

    if Jesus gave his life (luke 23:46)
    and ascended to God alive to return in the future... it in no way invalidates the Korans statement that ''they killed him not'' and that ''God raised him''. So...
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    The moon god theory is at odds with what the...

    The moon god theory is at odds with what the Koran itself has to say. I.e- that worship of heavenly objects is prohibited as 'shirk'. Plenty of moon-gods exist and cultures that worshiped them openly...
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    One interpretation is that it refers to all...

    One interpretation is that it refers to all people of the book (Jews,Christians and Muslims) living at the time when Jesus returns will not die without believing in Jesus when he returns. This would...
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    In Islam, there is a prophecy that Gog & Magog...

    In Islam, there is a prophecy that Gog & Magog will consume the sea of Galilee to the point of emptying it. Today its a fact that the galilee is fast emptying up because Israel is pumping out the...
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    I wanted to but I cant,.. a few days ago, I got...

    I wanted to but I cant,..
    a few days ago, I got a message that I can only post in the secular forums anymore. Reason given was that I was debating doctrine with christians on a secular forum which...
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    the true origin of the ''moon god'' theory was in...

    the true origin of the ''moon god'' theory was in the mind of a Robert Morey, a well known FRAUD holding fake degrees. If thats what passes as christian 'scholarship' then things are going to remain...
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    Gog and Magog in Islam

    what is your understanding of ''Gog and magog'' ? I'm in the process of authoring an article on the subject of Gog and Magog in Islam (and the biblical religions)...and I thought it would be useful...
  11. The difference between Jesus and Stephen giving...

    The difference between Jesus and Stephen giving up their spirits is that Jesus proclaimed that he could not be killed by men and that he could lay his life down and take it back.
  12. the ''scriptural facts'' that you say you have...

    the ''scriptural facts'' that you say you have ''explained'' do not cover luke 23:46...a verse that is of crucial importance to the matter of whether or not Jesus died at the hands of men....BECAUSE...
  13. first, what would you make of someone who...

    first, what would you make of someone who proclaims he cannot be killed by men and then ends up sentenced to death and is executed publicly. Thats exactly the contradiction in your stance (and of...
  14. No... he LITERALLY laid his life/gave up the...

    No... he LITERALLY laid his life/gave up the ghost when he was ON the cross. Explain Luke 23:46. You are twisting scriture by claiming Jesus going to Jerusalem amounted to laying down his life.
  15. Im not 'pretzelizing' anything. You are...

    Im not 'pretzelizing' anything. You are deliberately trying to sweep john 10:18 and luke 23:46 under the carpet. Those verses prove that jesus was in control of his life and had the ability to give...
  16. If Jesus indeed said he would be killed by men,...

    If Jesus indeed said he would be killed by men, then he contradicts his own words ''no man takes my life'' and the problem is traced back to the bible.
  17. @George post #47....regardless, the point remains...

    @George post #47....regardless, the point remains that Jesus was not killed by men as a result of the crucifixion...rather he laid it down on his own. I'm not even preaching from the Koran, rather...
  18. you are changing the story. Jesus was lifeless...

    you are changing the story. Jesus was lifeless when pierced....because he had already laid down his life on his own (luke 23:46) and not because he died directly of the crucifixion like the thieves...
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    ''works'' in islam go hand in hand with...

    ''works'' in islam go hand in hand with ''faith'', one is useless without the other (as taught in the bible as well)....so your answers to my questions are not rooted in your bible. Secondly, God is...
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    Nope. The Bible contains strong statements...

    Nope.

    The Bible contains strong statements from God laying down conditions for the Israelites to inherit the land.

    1. God owns the land.
    the land is mine and you reside in my land as...
  21. The difference lies in the point that Jesus said...

    The difference lies in the point that Jesus said "no man can take his life from him"....which the Koran corroborates by teaching that "they killed him not".
    Its strange that Christians contradict...
  22. Then it would mean that Jesus was killed and...

    Then it would mean that Jesus was killed and would contradict his claim that no man could take his life.




    Not if it didn't result in DEATH. The crucifixion is an EXECUTION method resulting...
  23. so you admit that the Koran is right when it...

    so you admit that the Koran is right when it teaches that it only appeared to people that Jesus was KILLED? When in reality Jesus dodged a death by crucifixion by laying down his life, taking it back...
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    thats your spin on the actual texts...which do...

    thats your spin on the actual texts...which do not speak of ''internal'' and ''external'' purification. Jesus ''sacrifice'' in the past was to cover for sins as a step before salvation....as will be...
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    first off there is no such thing as an...

    first off there is no such thing as an ''unconditional'' promise regarding the land, on the contrary their stay was purely conditional. Second, Israel will co-exists as ''a third'' with Assyria and...
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