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  1. I have a couple of friends who also take this...

    I have a couple of friends who also take this approach to the issue. And I agree with much of what you are saying. I actually respect the willingness of this approach to accept the apparent...
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    The problem with their logic is that faith is...

    The problem with their logic is that faith is still something the regenerate man DOES...so they don't avoid their own accusations of salvation by WORKS! Meritorious works done by effectual means are...
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    Not at all. Trusting in Christ is much, much,...

    Not at all. Trusting in Christ is much, much, much more attainable because his truth is so enabling, freeing, life-giving and better than the lies of the world. Why would you presume that lies are...
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    Great way to ask this question, Seth! We MUST...

    Great way to ask this question, Seth!

    We MUST acknowledge the difference in working your way into heaven with your own righteousness and trusting in the righteousness of Christ to get you there. ...
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    But when you correctly understand the CONTEXT of...

    But when you correctly understand the CONTEXT of the Calvinistic proof texts then you will rightly interpret the bible. :)

    (i.e. That Israel is being blinded from the truth temporarily lest they...
  6. That may be true... But I'd be interested to...

    That may be true... But I'd be interested to know why Owen's makes so much of what is referenced as the "Arminian dilemma" if he believes in real sufficiency?


    “God imposed his wrath due unto,...
  7. Well, if that is all you were meaning to say,...

    Well, if that is all you were meaning to say, then we may not have that great of a difference. After all, the benefit is only for those who respond in faith (his sheep) regardless of how ones...
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    Right... unregenerate people put there trust in...

    Right... unregenerate people put there trust in others all the time. Why is it that some think we are able to trust is fairy tales but for some reason we cannot trust in the truth? Why do they...
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    I agree. When teaching I've found the word...

    I agree. When teaching I've found the word "trust" in our modern english connotation carries the more biblical meaning. Do we trust in Christ, or not? That is an ACTIVE word, not a passive assent...
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    At the risk of sounding like my kids in the back...

    At the risk of sounding like my kids in the back of the minivan, "I DID TOO!" LOL :)

    You just don't agree, or you aren't understanding. (did you take the time to look up "question begging...
  11. lol There view may be more logically...

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    There view may be more logically consistent, but its far less biblically defensible than your view...so all in all, you are still held in higher regard Bruise! (as if that matters to you) ...
  12. When American's speak of military individuals...

    When American's speak of military individuals laying their lives down for our freedom, does that mean those Americans who protest all military action were NOT equally provided the same sacrifice by...
  13. This post reveals the clear distinction between...

    This post reveals the clear distinction between historical orthodox Calvinism and the neo-hyper-Calvinism that we often find on forums like this... Granted, I understand why Calvinists turn hyper,...
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    Of course it is...just because you don't like the...

    Of course it is...just because you don't like the answer doesn't mean its not an answer. You need to defend why you don't believe its an answer because this doesn't profit our discussion.



    So...
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    Actually there are several verses which speak of...

    Actually there are several verses which speak of God not lying or tempting men to do evil (Jm 1), I just picked the one I remembered.


    God COULD choose to deceive men into thinking something...
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    Actually, I would gladly affirm both the verse...

    Actually, I would gladly affirm both the verse and Gill's commentary of it. Knowing Gill's theology I'm sure he meant to say the divine grace was "irresistible" but since he didn't there is no...
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    Well, the scripture says He cannot lie (Numbers...

    Well, the scripture says He cannot lie (Numbers 23:19). I'd submit that making an appeal to someone to be reconciled from a fallen condition, acting as if He is disappointed with them for rebelling,...
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    I answered your question already...maybe you...

    I answered your question already...maybe you didn't read all the way through it... Here it is again:
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    Again, its all in how you define the terms,...

    Again, its all in how you define the terms, because in some ways even Arminians can affirm a form of "limited atonement" in that its benefit is limited to only those who believe.

    Indeed, but...
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    Not True. Jesus merited his own righteousness. ...

    Not True. Jesus merited his own righteousness. We didn't. That is the difference and if you can't see that then I'm afraid there isn't really much else to say here...
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    Yes but that isn't REALLY "merit," I only was...

    Yes but that isn't REALLY "merit," I only was attempting to explain how VALUE is imputed to something. So the value or "merit" is not of itself...but of God BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH.

    Merit is...
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    Continued... This is why I'm not trying to...

    Continued...

    This is why I'm not trying to get you to agree, but just to understand me. Clearly by this statement you are not quite getting what I'm saying yet. Until I see evidence that you...
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    Your answer is in your question. You wrote, "If...

    Your answer is in your question. You wrote, "If God says..." And "you are rewarded."

    As I've explained numerous times. The ONLY reason you think of repentance as meritorious is because of what...
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    "The truth shall set you free." Ironically,...

    "The truth shall set you free."

    Ironically, the very gospel that you reference is the means by which God grants or enables men to respond. None of us are arguing that man's will is completely...
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    I honestly thought my last post would put this to...

    I honestly thought my last post would put this to rest… I'm not trying to be mean, but are seriously attempting to suggest that a mere request for forgiveness merits being forgiven (not punished)...
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