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    PeaceByJesus, you wrote much so bear with me if I...

    PeaceByJesus, you wrote much so bear with me if I do not respond to all of your statements. I will take part 1 of 2 now.



    You stated this to my response of , "I do not recall myself saying that...
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    BornAgainRN wrote, Here is my take on...

    BornAgainRN wrote,



    Here is my take on this:

    1. It seems, to me, that your problem is not with the Marian dogmas, themselves, but that they cannot be found in Scripture. Am I correct?

    2....
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    discerner wrote, No, yours are.....No,...

    discerner wrote,



    No, yours are.....No, yours are......No, yours are.....etc. So who is right and what proof can you give to back up the claim that you are correct? Please do not tell me that...
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    Morefish wrote, When you have to use ad...

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    When you have to use ad hominems it is already "game over."



    Did the Scripture fall from the sky? Yes or no?
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    PeaceByJesus wrote, I never said that...

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    I never said that Sacred Tradition is Scripture. Scripture does reflect Sacred Tradition though.



    Could you show where an ECF rejected the Eucharist?
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    PeaceByJesus wrote, 1. I do not recall...

    PeaceByJesus wrote,



    1. I do not recall myself saying that the Church takes Scripture at face value most of the time.

    2. When you say, "historical texts" what do you mean?
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    PeaceByJesus, You raise some interesting items...

    PeaceByJesus, You raise some interesting items and I look forward to debating the points with you. My time is limited this afternoon. I hope to answer your 8-7-2014 response over the weekend, God...
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    discerner wrote, Catholics are good with...

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    Catholics are good with that.



    So does that mean that you have no life in you as Our Lord indicated?
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    Doug wrote, False. You're bearing false...

    Doug wrote,



    False. You're bearing false witness.



    False again.
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    discerner wrote, Please see rellings...

    discerner wrote,



    Please see rellings answer.



    How do you know? We have 2000 yrs. of Christian teaching that says that He was speaking literally. Could you point to a consistent...
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    Where does it contradict Scripture, discerner?

    Where does it contradict Scripture, discerner?
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    PeaceByJesus, you wrote a lot so, hopefully, I...

    PeaceByJesus, you wrote a lot so, hopefully, I can answer all of your point.



    But I have pointed out, to another poster, that the there are instances where the Scripture is to be taken at face...
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    I never said that the CCC was equal to Scripture....

    I never said that the CCC was equal to Scripture. The CCC reflects Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition.
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    discerner wrote, I would argue that it is....

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    I would argue that it is.



    Here is the problem that I have with that statement:
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    [QUOTE=skiknight;5870244]You said: Who...

    [QUOTE=skiknight;5870244]You said:



    Who thinks that? Christians cannot command Jesus to do anything. Seems you are bearing false witness. Truly you are.[/QUOTE

    I'm glad that you cleared that...
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    PeaceByJesus, you have written much and i hope to...

    PeaceByJesus, you have written much and i hope to respond to you today or over the next few days.
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    Morefish wrote, Okay. I think that...

    Morefish wrote,



    Okay.



    I think that you have a misunderstanding of what the Church really teaches. The Church teaches that Our Lord is truly present, Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity...
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    Looking at it from a perspective of the listeners...

    Looking at it from a perspective of the listeners of Our Lord, as laid out by the Sacred Scripture, it is pretty obvious that Our Lord was speaking literally in John 6 and not literally in the other...
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    Are you sure? John 6:50-56 [50] This is the...

    Are you sure?

    John 6:50-56
    [50] This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.
    [51] I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat...
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    You are bearing false witness and that, my dear,...

    You are bearing false witness and that, my dear, "is going to land you somewhere for eternity and it won't be heaven with Jesus."
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    Doug, you are bearing false witness.

    Doug, you are bearing false witness.
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    Although my diocese is small, we have not had to...

    Although my diocese is small, we have not had to cluster any parishes, that I know of. Even the secular media did a story on the surge in seminarians. Here is the link,
    ...
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    I do not reject Our Lord. I just reject the...

    I do not reject Our Lord. I just reject the heresies that you preach.
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    Never said it was.

    Never said it was.
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    Is that like commanding Our Lord into your heart...

    Is that like commanding Our Lord into your heart so that you can be "saved"?
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