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    Agreed.... In Catholicism, the issue is...

    Agreed....

    In Catholicism, the issue is ABSOLUTE UNCONDITIONAL SECRECY to whatever is said/learned in the Confessional. This means only one (VERY EASY) issue for the priest: SHUT UP, DO...
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    I think that's the common Protestant view. It's...

    I think that's the common Protestant view. It's the view of most Catholics known to me, too.

    In MY opinion (just me.... just opinion..... ain't saying it's DOGMA..... ain't saying it's even...
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    A LOT of Catholics passionately disagree with...

    A LOT of Catholics passionately disagree with you....
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    BJ.... I'm not as smart as you..... I'm pretty...

    BJ.... I'm not as smart as you..... I'm pretty sure I'm not getting your point....

    Could you summerize and "unpack" this for me a bit?
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    Again, quote me where I said that. I don't...

    Again, quote me where I said that. I don't think you've been ready our exchange.....

    Or maybe when you "read" you aren't reading words - but rather substituting your OWN words for what is...
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    What we are told - constantly, perpetually - is...

    What we are told - constantly, perpetually - is whatever the priest hears in the Confessional: he is to SAY and DO nothing. "No matter what, no matter what, no matter what." The Rule of Secrecy...
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    There are CRAFTY and WISE Catholics here.... ...

    There are CRAFTY and WISE Catholics here....

    They want to rebuke and condemn some Protestants on the issue of the Eucharist BUT.... (and here's the issue), they CANNOT without ALSO rebuking the...
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    He won't answer. I've asked him that IDENTICAL...

    He won't answer. I've asked him that IDENTICAL question over and over and over - for YEARS - he always ignores it.

    Wise man, actually. The Catholic must HOPE that these few Protestants don't...
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    You seem very ignorant. Actually, MANY...

    You seem very ignorant. Actually, MANY Protestants embrace the Eucharist as Sacrament AND embrace Real Presence. Your statement is clearly FALSE... that you don't know that is stunning.

    You, of...
  10. Then quote the lips of Jesus.... You won't...

    Then quote those lips of Jesus...


    NONE of the claims of the RCC itself for itself individual comes from Jesus at all. Proof? In all these centuries, NO Catholic has found a SINGLE quote...
  11. I thought Jesus came to save us.... oh, well. ...

    I thought Jesus came to save us.... oh, well.

    Ok. I live in California where there are nearly 40 MILLION people, so this should be a really easy request: Just give me the names and addresses of...
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    Here's Catholic DEISM as I see it: Jesus...

    Here's Catholic DEISM as I see it:

    Jesus founded the specific, individual, exclusive RC Denomination - and left.

    Jesus opened the gate to heaven making it POSSIBLE for us to get ourselves...
  13. God says NOTHING about the RC Denomination. As...

    God says NOTHING about the RC Denomination. As far as any can show, He never once so much as mentioned it. Ever. At all. For anything.

    ALL the Jupiter-sized, incredibly egotistical,...
  14. You said Christians don't sin. One-third of the...

    You said Christians don't sin. One-third of the world population is Christian. Ergo, according to you, one-third of the world's population is sinless.

    Of course, it means Paul was not a...
  15. My Catholic parish had two VERY different groups:...

    My Catholic parish had two VERY different groups: Old white people (of Italian, Irish, German, etc. heritage) and then young Hispanics.

    Among the Hispanics, there were LOTS of kids because...
  16. As when the RCC insists, I'M uniquely INFALLIBLE!...

    As when the RCC insists, I'M uniquely INFALLIBLE! When I'M uniquely speaking, God is! I'M the Voice of God! I'M the sole authoritarian interpreter! There is no salvation outside of ME. Is THAT...
  17. Then it's wrong for Christians to confess their...

    Then it's wrong for Christians to confess their sins, and Paul was not a Christian (after all, he stressed he is the CHIEF of sinners).

    And I wonder how it can be...... all these crimes and...
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    I predict that TP will either... 1. EVADE the...

    I predict that TP will either...

    1. EVADE the entire issue of the new, unique RCC Eucharistic Dogma ** edit per mod *** he is entirely unaware of any and all posts about that..... Or...

    2. ...
  19. The RCC is BLEEDING BUCKETS.... But then...

    The RCC is BLEEDING BUCKETS....

    But then nearly all Christian denominations are. None so dramatically or on that scale, but percentage-wise, sometimes as badly.




    The Catholic Review >...
  20. You answered your own question, but ignored my...

    Sanctification is God making us holy. All good comes from God. When we walk by God's grace, even the decision and walking itself is brought about by God's grace. How can you say that's...
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    Given our fallen nature, I think discipline is...

    Given our fallen nature, I think discipline is not only good and helpful, but often essential.

    While there ARE times I simply "break forth" in prayer or worship or study (some would say in...
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    My pastor is a PVM supporter - I'd not say...

    My pastor is a PVM supporter - I'd not say "vehemently" but he IS a supporter of that. His reason is PURELY tradition and because it was affirmed by a council (I'm frankly not sure about that last...
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    There are no conditions in the Catholic rubric: ...

    you have YET TO ACKNOWLEDGE that when the "conditions" of your Lutheran "conditional confidentiality" are satisfied, the end result is the same[/QUOTE]

    There are no conditions in the Catholic...
  24. Justification.... Sanctification...

    Justification....





    Sanctification (another issue for another day and thread; I won't confuse our discussion by addressing that HERE)
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    In CATHOLICISM, there is ABSOLUTE SECRECY - "no...

    In CATHOLICISM, there is ABSOLUTE SECRECY - "no matter what, no matter what, no matter what." UNCONDITIONAL..... ABSOLUTE. The priest has one role: SHUT UP!

    In PROTESTANTISM, there is the...
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