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    Yes, they are Christians.

    Yes, they are Christians.
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    1. Baptism was not established in the time of...

    1. Baptism was not established in the time of Moses if that is what you are referring to.

    2. "salvation is by grace through faith (Gen 15:6; cf Eph 2:8ff)." Yes but that does not rule out Baptism....
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    1. Baptism is how one becomes a Christian....

    1. Baptism is how one becomes a Christian. Period.

    2. When you speak of "Christ's catholic church" it can be none other than the Catholic Church which you so vehemently oppose.

    3. If you say...
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    Discerner wrote, I'm a guy so I'm a Mr....

    Discerner wrote,



    I'm a guy so I'm a Mr. but you can just call me LS or "hey you" or whatever. :)



    1. So what is the "bible definition" as you see it?
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    If they are "Catholic" then at some point they...

    If they are "Catholic" then at some point they would have been baptized. If they have been baptized then they have been born again. I would also like to make a clarification here. It is true that...
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    Josiah wrote, If they have a valid baptism...

    Josiah wrote,



    If they have a valid baptism then they are born again and they are called Christians even though they may not be formally united to the one, true Church. Let me ask you this...
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    Catholics are Christians, ETGO.

    Catholics are Christians, ETGO.
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    Okay.

    Okay.
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    valleygem wrote, I do not need to. I just...

    valleygem wrote,



    I do not need to. I just have to look at the teaching authority of the Church and it's perennial teaching in order to get consistent answers.



    I would like to see the...
  10. I agree. They also push a "health and wealth...

    I agree. They also push a "health and wealth gospel" to the nation's poor. Who would not be captivated by the snake oil that they are trying to sell? It is a gospel without the cross. I just fear...
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    Your OP, Catholics do not believe that...

    Your OP,



    Catholics do not believe that there are contradictions in the Scriptures. The burden of proof is on you to show where Catholics believe that there are contradictions in it. I also...
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    Sorry that you feel that way.

    Sorry that you feel that way.
  13. Here is a thought Conqueror. Seeing the example...

    Here is a thought Conqueror. Seeing the example that the Pope is showing do you not think that he is rekindling a deeper love for Christ and His Gospel in the hearts of men? I have seen stories of...
  14. What proof do you have that Our Lord does not...

    What proof do you have that Our Lord does not hear his prayers? It seems pretty arrogant to say that He does not hear the Pope's prayers. Just saying....
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    I was not trying to create a straw man here.

    I was not trying to create a straw man here.
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    I guess that means that you cannot state any...

    I guess that means that you cannot state any "contradictions" that Catholics supposedly believe in.
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    I'm not saying that. The author, of the article...

    I'm not saying that. The author, of the article that I shared, said that. If a Protestant had a valid Baptism then they are born again and are mystically united to the Church even though they do not...
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    I totally agree.

    I totally agree.
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    Could you show where Catholics believe that there...

    Could you show where Catholics believe that there are contradictions in the Scripture? Please show this from the CCC or from a saint or a Pope...not some wannabe Catholic.
  20. Here is what I see from all of this. 1. The...

    Here is what I see from all of this.

    1. The "bema seat" is just a seat of judgement. This can be looked upon as being a seat/throne for Christ(as divine Ruler and Judge) or as a temporal...
  21. By His Mercy wrote, Bump for War Eagle

    By His Mercy wrote,



    Bump for War Eagle
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    Born Again Protestant vs. A Christian

    The Difference Between A Born Again And A Christian

    A Born Again Belongs to man made churches.

    A Christian belongs to the Church founded by Jesus Christ, the Catholic Church. (Mt.16:17-19)

    A...
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    You are a Evangelical/Fundamentalist/Protestant,...

    You are a Evangelical/Fundamentalist/Protestant, are you not? You're certainly not Catholic nor E.C. Since you are not either of those then that makes you a Protestant.
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    We have been over this many times with you,...

    We have been over this many times with you, skiknight. The Church of the Bible is none other than the Catholic Church and the Church of the "early writings"( I assume that you are speaking about the...
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    Sounds like conspiracy theories at work here.

    Sounds like conspiracy theories at work here.
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