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    Maggie, answer this: WHO is the Savior? ...

    Maggie, answer this:

    WHO is the Savior?


    IF you answer "Jesus" then Jesus is the Savior. Not you - not a bit, not at all, not now, not ever, not in any way or shape or form or manner....
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    All the apostles are dead. The RCC...

    All the apostles are dead.

    The RCC acknowledges only one authoritative, authoritarian teacher: ITSELF CCC 87, etc.
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    "Grace" we were all taught by our Catholic...

    "Grace" we were all taught by our Catholic teachers, is HELP. This, verbatim, is what we were taught at my parish: "Grace is like the gas God puts in YOUR tank so that YOU can get YOURSELF where YOU...
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    The RCC condemns, ridicules and rebukes any that...

    The RCC condemns, ridicules and rebukes any that insists that self is the sole, individual, authoritative, unaccountable interpreter of Scripture. It designates itself as the sole, individual,...
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    A personal and entirely unfounded OPINION........

    A personal and entirely unfounded OPINION..... without a shred of anything (but unanswered questions) to support it. What I "take" from this is something I often find in Catholicism: a lack of...
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    The RCC recognizes one authorative teacher: IT...

    The RCC recognizes one authorative teacher: IT ITSELF. And it itself declares that when it itself exclusively speaks, ergo God Himself is. CCC 87. It's the same in those groups regarded as...
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    If the Protestant insistence that Jesus is the...

    I have said many times the bible does not anywhere teach the doctrine of faith alone.

    What I have said though is that we are not as far apart as we think in practice.


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    If the...
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    If Maggie40 is right and what Protestants...

    If Maggie40 is right and what Protestants typically embrace and what Luther taught in justification (narrow): Sola Gratia - Solus Christus - Sola Fide is RIGHT, then Maggie40 is - at the very least -...
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    If SELF is the Savior, yes - one needs to define...

    If SELF is the Savior, yes - one needs to define what THEY do that merits heaven.

    PROTESTANTS typically believe that faith is a gift of God.... GOD gives us faith, thus it is not OUR work, it is...
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    SOME Catholics rebuke Catholicism in...

    You could not possibly be more spot on correct. I am not convinced that Maggie understands Protestantism or Catholicism [/QUOTE]


    SOME Catholics rebuke Catholicism in justification, insisting...
  11. The praxis of Sola Scriptura has nothing to do...

    The praxis of Sola Scriptura has nothing to do with hermeneutics (right or wrong). It exclusively has to do with norming (the process of determining correctness, soundness). The RCC, the LDS, and...
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    OPPOSITE views. In Protestantism, in terms of...

    OPPOSITE views.

    In Protestantism, in terms of justification (narrow), Jesus is the Savior - and thus all related to this is solely, only, uniquely, exclusively the work and accomplishments of...
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    Thus, Jesus said NOTHING about the new, unique,...

    Thus, Jesus said NOTHING about the new, unique, Eucharistic Dogma of the RCC: Transubstantiation/Accidents. You are right: this new, unique Eucharistic dogma is baseless in terms of Jesus and...
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    You have NOTHING that REMOTELY indicates that...

    You have NOTHING that REMOTELY indicates that they embraced as dogma the very specific, very technical TRANSUBSTANTIATION/ACCIDENTS for over 1000 years - just always, persistently, constantly...
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    You are in my prayers....

    You are in my prayers....
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    For the first 1000 years of Christianity, there...

    For the first 1000 years of Christianity, there was not one Christian who believed in Transubstantiation/Accidents: the new, unique Eucharistic Dogma of the individual RC Denomination.

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    Thus, Transubstantiation/Accidents is false. ...

    Thus, Transubstantiation/Accidents is false.

    The word is "IS" - not converted and/or changed from one reality to a completely foreign reality via the precise, technical, physical mechanism of an...
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    What some Christian said does not negate what...

    What some Christian said does not negate what Jesus said and Paul by divine inspiration said.

    And as you prove: you can't find one cherry-picked RCC "Father" who taught...
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    Catholics define the word "grace" as HELP........

    Catholics define the word "grace" as HELP..... empowering..... energy. As Catholic teachers so powerfully taught we Catholics, "God HELPS those who help themselves" "Jesus opened the door to heaven...
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    Transubstantiation comes from a very, very rare...

    Transubstantiation comes from a very, very rare and very, very technical word. It means an alchemic CONVERSION. IF the RCC wanted to embrace some mysterious, generic CHANGE it would have used the...
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    One is either Catholic or not. A Catholic just...

    One is either Catholic or not. A Catholic just docilicly swallows whole whatever the RC Denomination itself exclusively says (officially, AT LEAST) because the RC Denomination does. And...
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    So you have NOTHING...... NOTHING to confirm the...

    So you have NOTHING...... NOTHING to confirm the new, unique, RCC Eucharistic Dogma of Transubstantiation/Accidents.
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    Correct. For nearly 500 years, the dogma of the...

    Correct. For nearly 500 years, the dogma of the RCC is that - in spite of Jesus stating and Paul penning "bread" and "wine/cup/fruit of the vine" AFTER the Consecration, that's not right - what "IS"...
  24. You need glasses. Or reading lessons. Or to...

    You need glasses. Or reading lessons. Or to embrace that truth matters. Maybe all 3.
  25. You lack faith.... do you have a de fide dogma...

    You lack faith.... do you have a de fide dogma that Mary was 9 feet tall, had pink hair and 100 children (all red headed boys)? AH - then you don't believe God COULD create a woman who was 9 feet...
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