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    This is a great question...one which typically...

    This is a great question...one which typically leads the more moderate Calvinist to appeal to the mystery of the divine working in such matters (which is what non-Cals do), OR adopt a more...
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    That may be the way you see it, but if you can...

    That may be the way you see it, but if you can give me an example of something God merely permitted, rather than caused, and explain how that works in the confines of His omniscience, I believe the...
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    Absolutely! That is fair. I've actually pointed...

    Absolutely! That is fair. I've actually pointed this out a few times on this forum...especially as it relates the to the 'foresight faith view' which I oppose, where as others here support that...
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    I agree. Godly conviction can lead one to...

    I agree. Godly conviction can lead one to repentance, but some CHOOSE to rebel further and grow hardened to the conviction...which, btw, is their own fault, not some lacking in the power or...
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    You seem agitated. I'm sorry if I've offended...

    You seem agitated. I'm sorry if I've offended you, but you said, "Those under the law could not be saved. Paul said so. They went down to sheol where Christ descended to preach the gospel to them,"...
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    I believe simpletruth's questions on this forum...

    I believe simpletruth's questions on this forum represent the point I was attempting to make. There is no shame in having different views within the same camp. I wasn't meaning for that to be...
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    Right, which necessitates that man has...

    Right, which necessitates that man has desires/lusts OF THEIR OWN that aren't determined/caused/originated/made/created by God, but that are alone of man. Some deterministic types believe ALL...
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    Both are animals who clearly can't "want" any...

    Both are animals who clearly can't "want" any such thing, because they are being used as an ANALOGY. You do know that in analogies where animals are used to relate to man that the comparison is not...
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    Where in scripture do you find this taught,...

    Where in scripture do you find this taught, please?

    Abraham was saved by grace through faith, just like you and I are…


    What then shall we say that Abraham our father has found according to...
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    You ignored the main points of my post above. ...

    You ignored the main points of my post above. The first line was said more in jest because you were always giving me a hard time about pointing out that John 6 was made up of hardened Israelites who...
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    I just pulled up the definition of force and here...

    I just pulled up the definition of force and here was one of the entries:

    "make (someone) do something against their will."

    Now, we understand that in the Calvinistic system, God is...
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    Note RC Sproul's devotional reading of it in his...

    Note RC Sproul's devotional reading of it in his series on the Christian's daily devotional Bible study. Sproul writes:

    "Some have said that draw only means "woo" or "entice."... This...
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    Let's unpack this. Calvinists teach that God...

    Let's unpack this. Calvinists teach that God irresistibly intervenes to change what WOULD be man's natural will to make it His will. In any other circumstance of life that would be objectionable in...
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    You are still speaking as if Calvinism is some...

    You are still speaking as if Calvinism is some monolithic group with a single spokesperson. As I've quoted before, Calvinists are seriously divided among themselves and always have been. There is...
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    No. The truth IS wrought of God. God is TRUTH. ...

    No. The truth IS wrought of God. God is TRUTH. Where truth is proclaimed, God is being revealed. Nothing more is required than TRUTH, because TRUTH = God.

    "The very words that I spoke to you...
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    Inaccurate. I believe what God said, "they may...

    Inaccurate. I believe what God said, "they may obey." You disagree with that statement by INSERTING into the text "they may not obey because they can't want to." It is thus your burden to prove...
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    Lol lol ...I'm laughing... hilarious. Actually,...

    Lol lol ...I'm laughing... hilarious. Actually, I do know of black men who have desired to change the color of their skin, but that is really beside the point.

    It's an analogy that it is...
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    You really think that don't you? That may be why...

    You really think that don't you? That may be why you have yet to hear almost anything I've said. It is a competition to you not a discussion. Competitors rarely listen...they are too concerned...
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    Chapter and verse? The prodigal grew to hate his...

    Chapter and verse? The prodigal grew to hate his sin because of where it lead him. I have a similar testimony. When what you love destroys your life and leaves you broken things may change. The...
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    "Abraham believed and it was credited to him as...

    "Abraham believed and it was credited to him as righteousness." -OT and Paul



    Just reread those three statement above over and over again and tell me if you don't spot the problem.
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    Insults noted. Blessings to you too, David. ...

    Insults noted. Blessings to you too, David.

    BTW, I do hold to the most commonly held soteriological position from Evangelical biblical scholars today (Southern Baptists especially). You know...
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    But you PRESUME without biblical support from...

    But you PRESUME without biblical support from this text (or any other that I'm aware of) that they are unable to want to apart from an effectual work of regeneration. You are reading that into the...
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    Why wouldn't I? You apply what you believe to be...

    Why wouldn't I? You apply what you believe to be Jesus' message to Israel in John 6 universally.

    Yes, or God is lying to them. They are able to do it like the church today is...by grace through...
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    How does proving that a leopard can't change his...

    How does proving that a leopard can't change his own spots also prove that a leopard can't recognize his spots and ask for someone to help him change them?
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    A great question for a determinist! What...

    A great question for a determinist!

    What distinction have you offered between that which we desire and that which God desires?

    To suggest that one makes decisions based on their strongest...
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