Thank you for your reply MORFISH , of which I would like to respond.
So let us reason.
********Lots of cults "refer to the miraculous gifts as in prophesy and casting out of demons." Does that make all of those cults "CHRISTIANS?" Naah.****
How naive< Would you say that one third of the two billion Christians who practice prophecy and demon explosion are a cult group? Even the RCC practice demon explosion
As to the true definition of prophecy it simply means > A revelation of divine will and purpose Also something to come , inspired moral teaching , or an expression of a divine command or judgement.
Note: Its not one who is a prophet but one who prophecies, there is difference.
Q: Are you not prophesying when you claim Christ return? Are you not prophesying when professing all scripture truths?
If you are to be an "apologist" you need to learn to CITE your references. Your daffynishun of "prophesy" is wrong:
propheteuo (prof-ate-yoo'-o); from NT:4396; to foretell events, divine, speak under inspiration, exercise the prophetic office:
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)
THAT is the word used in 1 Corinthians 14:24 as prophesy. And THAT is the accurate definition.
Whenever one speaks for God, he is prophesying, whether truthfully or falsely. THAT is why we must always speak for God BASED ENTIRELY ON SCRIPTURE, and not on our own ideas.
*******So you want to go back to a previous conversation in a different time and place for reference? How about we simply go back a TINY BIT in the SAME conversation, only seconds before Matthew 7:21. . .
I was not referring to Mathew 7:15-20 in this instance but John chapter 6
Christ was referring to his then followers who at that time were not false prophets BUT followers of CHRIST …..that is clear
Followers, but apparently NOT BELIEVERS. MANY followed Him but had no faith and left. So far you have shown NOBODY who had FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST changing their minds and leaving OR being thrown out.
******So you believe Jesus leaves CHRISTIANS behind, doesn't KNOW some of HIS sheep? I suspect you need to THINK THIS ONE OUT A BIT before jumping to such conclusions.*******
In John 6 he was sorting out the goats from the sheep, so in one sense he does know who his sheep are….the ones who did not depart but had said that ,HE Christ Jesus has words of everlasting life .
And you believe the goats were CHRISTIANS? OF COURSE Jesus knows who his sheep are. . .HE KNEW THAT BEFORE WE WERE CREATED. He also knew who the goats were (they don't fool God), and the UNSAVED are the goats.
******No, I am a CHRISTIAN. I am not even certain what a "Calvinist" is. I know WHO John Calvin was, but have not read his writings******
A Calvinist is one who believes in predestination, as in salvation can never be taken away no mater what , once one has committed there lives to Christ. It is referred to as once saved always saved. I am surprised that you don’t know this
Calvinist hold to the belief that once Christ has selected his sheep , nothing can change.
But is this TRUE? NOT according to the Parable of the Sheep and Goats (Matthew 25:31-46),
Sheep do not turn into goats, wire. Sheep are always sheep. Calvin may have believed in OSAS, but Calvin also believed that Jesus is the Son of the Living God. Does that make the fact that Jesus IS the Son of the Living God become "unCHRISTIAN" too?
Here is what GOD tells us through Paul:
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, 4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, 5 having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, 6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He made us accepted in the Beloved.
7 In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace 8 which He made to abound toward us in all wisdom and prudence, 9 having made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He purposed in Himself, 10 that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven and which are on earth — in Him. 11 In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will, 12 that we who first trusted in Christ should be to the praise of His glory.
13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.
Now you can "fiddle" with that stuff all you want, but you STILL come up (IF YOU STICK WITH THE TEXT) with GOD choosing us before the worlds began, and GOD predestining us to be HIS SHEEP. Not US being "nice" and "choosing" for ourselves, although He DOES convict us into MAKING THAT CHOICE ourselves too.
IF Calvin believed that, then Calvin was right. I just don't know all of what Calvin believed. I have not read his works. I have only heard what I have heard folks like you CLAIM.
I believe that the core message of the Parable of the Sheep and Goats is that good works will result from our relationship to the Shepherd, to Christ.
Christians WILL produce good works. THAT IS A GIVEN. You get good fruit from good trees, evil fruit from evil trees.
Followers of Christ will produce good works, as in fine fruitages thus will treat others with kindness, will deal with others as if they were Christ.
Those of the goat class who reject obedience to Christ teachings, who bury there talents are in the opposite manner. While “goats” can indeed do acts of kindness and charity, their hearts are not truly committed for the right purpose – to honor and worship God. They are indeed the ones who have a form of Godly devotion.
But are NOT CHRISTIANS. Mormons, Catholics, branch davidians, and JWs fall into that category. They do good works, claim to be doing so for God, but are NOT CHRISTIANS. You are mixing apples (CHRISTIANS) and oranges (NON-beleivers).
Because this scripture is dealing bas in the last days, as in judgment, it is apparent that the sheep and goats are all in the one pen.
Q: Are the goats Christian professed OR false prophets?
LOTS of false "prophets" claim to be "Christians" but are NOT CHRISTIANS. The mormon welfare system is an EXCELLENT welfare system doing good to MANY folks while claiming to be Christian, but mormonism is NOT Christian.
*******Mormons claim they have healed the sick with prayer, they have done miracles, they have spoken in tongues. A few catholics have said the same things. Do you consider both of THOSE GROUPS to be part of the same "Jesus camp?" I do not.*****
Were does it claim in the Bible that Gods miracles are his endorsement to the right religion.? Gods grace of healing is for all the nation. Which includes heathens as well as Christians When the woman touched Christ robe and was healed did she then state as did the Philippian jailer “ What must I do to be saved”! I don’t think so !What of the many others who Christ healed,? is it to be assumed that all became converted?
JESUS healed the woman who touched His robe. It never says SHE did a single good work OR became a Christian. Why would we ASSUME she was ever converted? Scripture is silent on the subject.
HEATHENS are not CHRISTIANS. HOLY SPIRIT healing is not what the heathens do; They have their counterfeits. God allows it, but the Holy Spirit does not live within HEATHENS and false religions.
FAITH is what is the catalyst to healing, not religion .Gods grace is unconditional and impartial. to all who have faith in him…..including Catholics and Mormons.
Catholics follow a "christ" who is in their "host" (a cracker), a false christ. Mormons follow a christ who was a spirit brother to satan and one of many supposed gods of many worlds, another false christ. NEITHER of their healings are from God; they are satanic.
You should be reminded that Mitt Romney will soon be in your prayers, yes, a God fearing man with lots of $$$$$ all in GOD WE TRUST .
I will pray that mitt romney will do well as president, and I will also pray that he will leave mormonism and its false gods and find the real Jesus Christ. The "christ" he now follows is a false christ.
in Jesus Christ,