Quote Originally Posted by civic View Post
still no verse for twaa where men see the Father eh ?????????????????

no cigar...............................

hope this helps,

God will always remain an invisible Spirit and we shall see God face to face in Christ alone:

Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

The tabernacle of God(invisible) is The Lamb.

1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

The throne is one and it is the throne of God/Lamb.

3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:

Notice that it is HIS servants serving HIM

4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.

Whose face they shall see? God's! How? Only in The LAMB. No man has ever seen God nor can see.

22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

The glory of God lightens the city. How? The Lamb being the light of the glory of God.

2Corinthians 4:6
"For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of god in the face of Jesus Christ."