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  • #31
    Originally posted by ramcam2 View Post

    Yes, and I found out that all of Christianity before 1930 agreed that abc is morally evil.
    A century ago, the worst churches were better than the best churches today. The quality of churches has faded faster than church attendance.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by ramcam2 View Post
      only the Catholic Church condemns abc (artificial birth control like pills, etc...), all other Christian churches allow abc. I hope these Christian churches, since they oppose abortion, will realize that the pill is an abortifacient. Are you aware of that?
      are you aware that you are in error....again


      Contraception Is Not Abortion:
      "When taken as directed, the birth control pill stops the body from ovulating"
      https://www.verywellhealth.com/does-...ulation-906740

      as we are limited to the number of links we can post: which on- line medical authority would you accept?

      or just google:
      the pill is an abortifacient

      Last edited by tester; 01-14-2020, 10:08 AM.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by ramcam2 View Post
        only the Catholic Church condemns abc (artificial birth control like pills, etc...), all other Christian churches allow abc.
        What is the difference between the deliberate intention to release the sperm in an area where there is no egg present and using a condom?

        The intention is the same:
        Last edited by tester; 01-14-2020, 10:40 AM.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by ramcam2 View Post
          genesis38: 9 but Onan, who knew that they would not be reckoned as his, frustrated the act of marriage when he mated with her, sooner than breed sons in his brother’s name. 10 Him too, for this abominable deed of his, the Lord punished with death.
          so if Onan used a Basal thermometer, a calendar, and tracked the woman's cycle ; do you think that would have been acceptable to God?

          Or would Onam still have been blatantly disobedient to God's command?

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Calsgal View Post


            Genesis 38:6-11
            Judah got a wife for Er his first-born; her name was Tamar. But Er, Judah’s first-born, was displeasing to the Lord, and the Lord took his life. Then Judah said to Onan, “Join with your brother’s wife and do your duty by her as a brother-in-law, and provide offspring for your brother.” But Onan, knowing that the seed would not count as his, let it go to waste whenever he joined with his brother’s wife, so as not to provide offspring for his brother. What he did was displeasing to the Lord, and He took his life also. Then Judah said to his daughter-in-law Tamar, “Stay as a widow in your father’s house until my son Shelah grows up”—for he thought, “He too might die like his brothers.” So Tamar went to live in her father’s house.

            Deut 25:5Laws Concerning Levirate Marriage

            5 “If brothers dwell together, and one of them dies and has no son, the wife of the dead man shall not be married outside the family to a stranger. Her husband’s brother shall go in to her and take her as his wife and perform the duty of a husband’s brother to her. 6 And the first son whom she bears shall succeed to the name of his dead brother, that his name may not be blotted out of Israel. 7 And if the man does not wish to take his brother’s wife, then his brother’s wife shall go up to the gate to the elders and say, ‘My husband’s brother refuses to perpetuate his brother’s name in Israel; he will not perform the duty of a husband’s brother to me.’ 8 Then the elders of his city shall call him and speak to him, and if he persists, saying, i‘I do not wish to take her,’ 9 then his brother’s wife shall go up to him in the presence of the elders and pull his sandal off his foot and spit in his face. And she shall answer and say, ‘So shall it be done to the man who does not build up his brother’s house.’ 10 And the name of his house1 shall be called in Israel, ‘The house of him who had his sandal pulled




            Judah had given the command because it was God’s command. When God saw that Onan defied Him, He put him to death, leaving Judah with the youngest son, Shelah. So, neither Er nor Onan were in the line of the Messiah. Judah did not ask Shelah to marry Tamar instead.
            you forgot verse 9, the punishment for not following the law concerning levirate marriage.

            this is the reason why onan got the punishment of death instead of public humiliation. it is because 'wasting of the seed' is an abominable act like in homosexuality and is punishable with death.

            lev 18: 22 Thou shalt not have commerce with a man as if it had been with a woman; such commerce is abominable.

            lev20: 13 No mercy, either, when a man has commerce with another man as if he had been a woman; either is guilty of a foul deed, and both must die.
            Last edited by ramcam2; 01-14-2020, 12:56 PM.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by 4Him View Post

              I can understand why you don’t want to deal with facts. You have the nerve to wag your finger at non Catholics while ignoring the fact that your house is filthy.


              Originally posted by Ruk View Post

              A century ago, the worst churches were better than the best churches today. The quality of churches has faded faster than church attendance.
              here is fact....

              before 1930 the catholic church and all protestant denominations believed that abc is morally evil. after 1930, only the catholic church is left to proclaim this historic Christian teaching. do you know why?
              Last edited by ramcam2; 01-14-2020, 01:17 PM.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by tester View Post

                are you aware that you are in error....again


                Contraception Is Not Abortion:
                "When taken as directed, the birth control pill stops the body from ovulating"
                https://www.verywellhealth.com/does-...ulation-906740

                as we are limited to the number of links we can post: which on- line medical authority would you accept?

                or just google:
                the pill is an abortifacient
                from.... https://www.webmd.com/sex/birth-control/birth-control-pills#1

                Pregnancy is prevented by a combination of factors. The hormonal contraceptive usually stops the body from ovulating. Hormonal contraceptives also change the cervical mucus to make it difficult for the sperm to go through the cervix and find an egg. Hormonal contraceptives can also prevent pregnancy by changing the lining of the womb so it's unlikely the fertilized egg will be implanted.

                from your source....

                It is common for hormonal birth control to produce all three effects. Ovulation may be prevented by the constant level of the synthetic hormones. Progestin keeps the cervical mucus viscous so sperm cannot enter the uterus and fallopian tubes to fertilize an egg. It also keeps the uterine lining in a condition that doesn't support implantation and nourishment of the fertilized egg.

                now, who is in error?
                Last edited by ramcam2; 01-14-2020, 01:40 PM.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by tester View Post

                  so if Onan used a Basal thermometer, a calendar, and tracked the woman's cycle ; do you think that would have been acceptable to God?

                  Or would Onam still have been blatantly disobedient to God's command?
                  in other words, if tamar is not ovulating, there is no reason why onan can't try again. this would be acceptable to God.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by tester View Post
                    What is the difference between the deliberate intention to release the sperm in an area where there is no egg present and using a condom?

                    The intention is the same:
                    no, it is not.

                    it is no longer marriage.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by ramcam2 View Post
                      only the Catholic Church condemns abc (artificial birth control like pills, etc...), all other Christian churches allow abc. I hope these Christian churches, since they oppose abortion, will realize that the pill is an abortifacient. Are you aware of that?



                      from nan.....Would you mind showing me where God condemns birth control?
                      Barrier methods aren't abortificants.
                      "It is easy to fool a man, but almost impossible to get him to admit he was fooled." (attributed to Mark Twain)

                      "If the truth hurts--it's working." (Anonymous)

                      "Let the wife make her husband glad to come home and let him make her sorry to see him leave." (Martin Luther)

                      "A layman who has the Scripture is more than Pope or council without it."
                      (Martin Luther)

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by mica View Post
                        did belief in the bible change in 1930?

                        btw, belief in the bible didn't start in 1930. catholics still don't believe in it.
                        Artificial birth control used to be illegal. All Protestant denominations condemned the use of artificial birth control until the Anglican Lambeth Conference passed a resolution in favor of birth control in 1930.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by mica View Post
                          did belief in the bible change in 1930?

                          btw, belief in the bible didn't start in 1930. catholics still don't believe in it.
                          yes to protestants, belief in the bible changed in 1930

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Bonnie View Post

                            Barrier methods aren't abortificants.
                            unlike in other sins, contraception did not have frequent condemnation but the bible condemns the practice when it mentions it. a good example is the withdrawal method as done by onan. once a moral principle has been established biblically, every possible application of it need not be mentioned.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Nondenom40 View Post

                              Thats your proof of God condemning birth control? We've been over this. Since in your mind God condemns this, please make a list for us of all the other people in the entire bible that spilled their seed and God whacked them because of it. We'll wait.
                              Bump for Ram. If God condemns spilling your seed then give us a list of all the other people in the bible that God killed because of this. As per usual, youre out of context statements can't be backed up.
                              Rom 5:1
                              5 Therefore having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, NASB

                              Rom 5:6
                              6 For while we were still helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. NASB

                              Rom 5:8
                              8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. NASB

                              Rom 5:10
                              10 For if while we were enemies, we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life. NASB

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by ramcam2 View Post

                                from.... https://www.webmd.com/sex/birth-control/birth-control-pills#1

                                Pregnancy is prevented by a combination of factors. The hormonal contraceptive usually stops the body from ovulating. Hormonal contraceptives also change the cervical mucus to make it difficult for the sperm to go through the cervix and find an egg. Hormonal contraceptives can also prevent pregnancy by changing the lining of the womb so it's unlikely the fertilized egg will be implanted.

                                from your source....

                                It is common for hormonal birth control to produce all three effects. Ovulation may be prevented by the constant level of the synthetic hormones. Progestin keeps the cervical mucus viscous so sperm cannot enter the uterus and fallopian tubes to fertilize an egg. It also keeps the uterine lining in a condition that doesn't support implantation and nourishment of the fertilized egg.

                                now, who is in error?
                                true or false?

                                "When taken as directed, the birth control pill stops the body from ovulating"

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