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  • Originally posted by Balshan View Post

    Why? A book is not archaeological proof.
    what is in the book is the archaeological proof.
    Last edited by ramcam2; 03-22-2020, 04:20 AM.

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    • Originally posted by Balshan View Post

      I know I have a book of popes and the interesting thing is the list of popes on the internet used to show the gaps and now it doesn't. But the book never changes.
      so???????????????????????????

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      • Originally posted by ramcam2 View Post

        so???????????????????????????
        There is not a continual line of sucession, so?????????????????????????????????????

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        • Originally posted by Balshan View Post

          There is not a continual line of sucession, so?????????????????????????????????????
          give one example, please????

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          • Originally posted by ramcam2 View Post

            give one example, please????
            You have been given examples over and over again, but you ignore them. Why would I do it again?. I have given them in the past and I am not the only one. Your request means you are not reading the post of others. For example post 219.

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            • Originally posted by ramcam2 View Post

              The site you posted is all about an inscription and no bones as evidence so how can a scientific study be made? The inscription says...Simon, son of jonah. How many men in Jerusalem during jesus' time could have had the name simon, son of Jonah? Since it is a pretty common name at that time, I would imagine several. If it says, Peter (cephas) instead of Simon, since half his life simon is known as cephas, I might be less skeptical.

              here for an authentic and consummate investigation that was done.... http://stpetersbasilica.info/Necropo...9.htm#decision

              Read it all and compare with your link. If you cannot find the time for the whole book, read on 9. The bones examined. You will see how extensive scientific studies were done. In 10.. the Peter theory, is where the inscription 'PETROS ENI' is mentioned....

              ("...During the following day the feeling persisted, and the next morning as she prepared to leave her house for the university, there sounded dimly in her conscious mind, faintly reverberating, the two Greek words (Petros Eni)....

              ... In ancient Greek, ENI (ENI) had sometimes been used, mostly in poetry, as a contraction of the verb ENEOTI, meaning "is within." The literal rendering of the red wall graffito would then be "Peter is within." But since, in this case, the word had a funerary context, its true reading could rightly be expanded to "Peter is buried in here.")
              Pssss we do not have his DNA to test it against

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              • Originally posted by ramcam2 View Post

                give one example, please????
                Well your buddy thinks Stephen was an Apostle, so it doesn't look like there's either clarity or unity within the rcc. Unless one of you isn't rcc...

                03-16-2020, 09:58 AM Post 155
                Originally posted by Only_3 View Post

                Well, we can start with the apostle Stenphen.

                Acts 8
                And Saul approved of his execution.

                And there arose on that day a great persecution against the church in Jerusalem, and they were all scattered throughout the regions of Judea and Samaria, except the apostles. 2Devout men buried Stephen and made great lamentation over him. 3But Saul was ravaging the church, and entering house after house, he dragged off men and women and committed them to prison.

                So now give us the history of your Church from the death of Stephen to the present day.
                Romans 10:9 Because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

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                • Originally posted by illini1959 View Post

                  Well your buddy thinks Stephen was an Apostle, so it doesn't look like there's either clarity or unity within the rcc. Unless one of you isn't rcc...


                  I mean in reality who was Stephen successor, just a thought? This is the problem when they come up with unscriptural beliefs. Who was John's, Matthew's etc successor.

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                  • Originally posted by Balshan View Post
                    This is a term that is thrown around as if it is the be all guide to the one true church. But what does it mean:

                    Merriam Webster -

                    1a: of or relating to an apostle
                    b: of, relating to, or conforming to the teachings of the New Testament apostles
                    2a: of or relating to a succession of spiritual authority from the apostles held (as by Roman Catholics, Anglicans, and Eastern Orthodox) to be perpetuated by successive ordinations of bishops and to be necessary for valid sacraments and orders
                    b papal - f or relating to a pope or to the Roman Catholic Church also : resembling a pope or that of a pope

                    New Advent

                    the term is meant to signify the ancient particular Churches which were founded, or at least governed, by an Apostle, and which, on that account, enjoyed a special dignity and acquired a great apologetic importance.

                    http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01634a.htm

                    Catechism 815

                    profession of one faith received from the Apostles;

                    -common celebration of divine worship, especially of the sacraments;

                    - apostolic succession through the sacrament of Holy Orders, maintaining the fraternal concord of God's family.


                    We can see this term is used in a number of ways. To me the word in relationship to the church should mean it follows the teachings of the apostles and acts like they did. The apostles put a great emphasis on being Christlike.

                    The RCC likes to see itself as apostolic and this involves their made up succession. We know they are not apostolic in actions. They ignore the scriptures and the teachings of the apostles. No apostle prayed to Mary for example. No apostle in their writings focused on Mary. They focused on Jesus, the Lord and the Father. No apostle allowed sin to flourish. No apostle promoted the seal of confession. So on what grounds does the RCC think it is apostolic?
                    Being ordained by an apostle or those who were ordained by apostles.

                    1 Timothy 4
                    13 Until I come, give attention to the public reading of Scripture, to exhortation and teaching.
                    14 Do not neglect the spiritual gift within you, which was bestowed on you through prophetic utterance with the laying on of hands by the presbytery.

                    2 Timothy 1
                    6 For this reason I remind you to kindle afresh the gift of God which is in you through the laying on of my hands.

                    This involves a special spiritual gift...and the context included teaching (1 Tim 4:13).

                    Calvin was never ordained. Do you think he has this spiritual gift bestowed via the laying on of hands?

                    -BHM

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                    • Originally posted by By His Mercy View Post

                      Being ordained by an apostle or those who were ordained by apostles.

                      1 Timothy 4
                      13 Until I come, give attention to the public reading of Scripture, to exhortation and teaching.
                      14 Do not neglect the spiritual gift within you, which was bestowed on you through prophetic utterance with the laying on of hands by the presbytery.

                      2 Timothy 1
                      6 For this reason I remind you to kindle afresh the gift of God which is in you through the laying on of my hands.

                      This involves a special spiritual gift...and the context included teaching (1 Tim 4:13).

                      Calvin was never ordained. Do you think he has this spiritual gift bestowed via the laying on of hands?

                      -BHM
                      So you are saying your paedophile priests were ordained by an apostle? They got spiritual gifts via laying on of hands. Really? So what if Calvin was ordained or not.

                      I see some RCs quote Paul when they think he backs their beliefs but ignore them when he clearly states expel sexual sinners. Why is that? Do they like sexual sinners? Most crimes committed by some RC leadership over the centuries are sexual sins.
                      Last edited by Balshan; 03-24-2020, 05:42 AM.

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                      • Originally posted by illini1959 View Post

                        Well your buddy thinks Stephen was an Apostle, so it doesn't look like there's either clarity or unity within the rcc. Unless one of you isn't rcc...


                        Ask the poster if he means one of the original 12 or just one who is sent, messenger?

                        commandment 8. Thou shall not bear false witness......

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                        • Originally posted by Calsgal View Post

                          Pssss we do not have his DNA to test it against
                          Better than your recommended site where there is no body, just a handwriting. ?

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                          • Originally posted by ramcam2 View Post

                            what is in the book is the archaeological proof.
                            No Ram,
                            Whats in the book is His Opinion
                            and that,s all it is
                            for every so called expert "Scholar" a person can come up with,
                            someone can find 2-3 that say the opposite;

                            Opinions are like Armpits
                            we all have 2, and, like mine
                            they both stink

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                            • Originally posted by ramcam2 View Post

                              The site you posted is all about an inscription and no bones as evidence so how can a scientific study be made? The inscription says...Simon, son of jonah. How many men in Jerusalem during jesus' time could have had the name simon, son of Jonah? Since it is a pretty common name at that time, I would imagine several. If it says, Peter (cephas) instead of Simon, since half his life simon is known as cephas, I might be less skeptical.

                              here for an authentic and consummate investigation that was done.... http://stpetersbasilica.info/Necropo...9.htm#decision

                              Read it all and compare with your link. If you cannot find the time for the whole book, read on 9. The bones examined. You will see how extensive scientific studies were done. In 10.. the Peter theory, is where the inscription 'PETROS ENI' is mentioned....

                              ("...During the following day the feeling persisted, and the next morning as she prepared to leave her house for the university, there sounded dimly in her conscious mind, faintly reverberating, the two Greek words (Petros Eni)....

                              ... In ancient Greek, ENI (ENI) had sometimes been used, mostly in poetry, as a contraction of the verb ENEOTI, meaning "is within." The literal rendering of the red wall graffito would then be "Peter is within." But since, in this case, the word had a funerary context, its true reading could rightly be expanded to "Peter is buried in here.")
                              Diggin up Bones, jst Diginn up Bones

                              Jer. 8:1
                              At that time, saith the Lord,
                              they shall bring out the bones of the kings of Judah,
                              and the bones of his princes, and the bones of the priests,
                              and the bones of the prophets, and the bones of the inhabitants of Jerusalem,
                              out of their graves:

                              2 And they shall spread them before the sun, and the moon,
                              and all the host of heaven,
                              whom they have loved, and whom they have served,
                              and after whom they have walked, and whom they have sought,
                              and whom they have worshipped:
                              they shall not be gathered, nor be buried;
                              they shall be for dung upon the face of the earth.

                              3 And death shall be chosen rather than life
                              by all the residue of them that remain of this evil family,

                              .
                              And in those days shall men seek death,
                              and shall not find it; and shall desire to die,
                              and death shall flee from them.
                              .

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                              • Originally posted by Blackie View Post

                                Diggin up Bones, jst Diginn up Bones

                                Jer. 8:1
                                At that time, saith the Lord,
                                they shall bring out the bones of the kings of Judah,
                                and the bones of his princes, and the bones of the priests,
                                and the bones of the prophets, and the bones of the inhabitants of Jerusalem,
                                out of their graves:

                                2 And they shall spread them before the sun, and the moon,
                                and all the host of heaven,
                                whom they have loved, and whom they have served,
                                and after whom they have walked, and whom they have sought,
                                and whom they have worshipped:
                                they shall not be gathered, nor be buried;
                                they shall be for dung upon the face of the earth.

                                3 And death shall be chosen rather than life
                                by all the residue of them that remain of this evil family,

                                .
                                And in those days shall men seek death,
                                and shall not find it; and shall desire to die,
                                and death shall flee from them.
                                .



                                Originally posted by Blackie View Post

                                No Ram,
                                Whats in the book is His Opinion
                                and that,s all it is
                                for every so called expert "Scholar" a person can come up with,
                                someone can find 2-3 that say the opposite;

                                Opinions are like Armpits
                                we all have 2, and, like mine
                                they both stink
                                Where is your opposite, the handwritings?

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