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  • Originally posted by ramcam2 View Post

    These seeming contradictions to you are their personal opinions, not the church's infallible proclamation.
    So, having an infallible proclamation doesn't prevent your leaders and members from teaching and believing contradictory things?

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    • Originally posted by tester View Post
      are these statements totally correct?
      What do they have to do with the thread topic?

      Originally posted by tester View Post
      are these statements totally correct?

      Christ was the Son of God without a mother.
      Christ was the Son of God before Mary was born,
      Christ was the Son of God 1000s of years before before Mary was born,
      Mary had no role in Christ being the Son of God.
      Christ was the Son of God without any involvement from Mary.

      The Son, the Third Person of the Trinity, is eternal with no beginning and no ending because God is eternal with no beginning and no ending.

      When The Son became man, Mary bore God in her womb. She is Theotokos, "God Bearer". Mother of God is the usual way her title is stated in English.

      When you say"Christ" you are being unclear. Are you referring to God the Son, or to the Godman Jesus?




      Originally posted by Balshan View Post
      Known for centuries as the Roman Catholic Church
      I don't care about all that garbage. We are called the Catholic Church. Period.

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      • Originally posted by Trump Gurl View Post

        What do they have to do with the thread topic?




        The Son, the Third Person of the Trinity, is eternal with no beginning and no ending because God is eternal with no beginning and no ending.

        When The Son became man, Mary bore God in her womb. She is Theotokos, "God Bearer". Mother of God is the usual way her title is stated in English.

        When you say"Christ" you are being unclear. Are you referring to God the Son, or to the Godman Jesus?






        I don't care about all that garbage. We are called the Catholic Church. Period.
        I don't care whether you care or not it is the RCC and it is not apostolic. Period.

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        • Originally posted by Trump Gurl View Post

          Since denying that Mary is God’s mother implies doubt about Jesus’ divinity, it is clear why Christians (until recent times) have been unanimous in proclaiming Mary as Mother of God.
          false:I proclaim at the top my my voice "JESUS IS DIVINE!!"

          tell us is "Mary ; Mother of God" a Christology doctrine or a Marian Dogma?

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          • Originally posted by Trump Gurl View Post

            My mistake
            No problem, we are all humans.

            Are you catholic?

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            • Originally posted by ramcam2 View Post

              These seeming contradictions to you are their personal opinions, not the church's infallible proclamation.
              they are interpreting their church's infallible proclamation
              and are reaching conflicting conclusions.

              correct?

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              • Originally posted by Balshan View Post

                Known for centuries as the Roman Catholic Church, last time this discussion happened pictures were posted of churches calling themselves RCC.
                Yes, even called "Roman Catholic Church" on the Vatican's official website:

                From google, a single example from the multitude available:

                Official web site of the Holy See - WWW.VATICAN.VA
                www.vatican.va › documents › rc_pc_chrstuni_doc_22051992_info_en
                May 22, 1992 - A 23 International Christian ... communities and various Organizations participating in the joys and sorrows of the Roman Catholic Church .


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                • Originally posted by Trump Gurl View Post

                  What do they have to do with the thread topic?

                  as much as RAMCAM2's post with which you agreed with

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                  • Originally posted by Nimbus View Post


                    Yes, even called "Roman Catholic Church" on the Vatican's official website:

                    From google, a single example from the multitude available:

                    Official web site of the Holy See - WWW.VATICAN.VA
                    www.vatican.va › documents › rc_pc_chrstuni_doc_22051992_info_en
                    May 22, 1992 - A 23 International Christian ... communities and various Organizations participating in the joys and sorrows of the Roman Catholic Church .

                    Interesting how they wish to deny the truth.

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                    • Originally posted by Nimbus View Post

                      Yes, even called "Roman Catholic Church" on the Vatican's official website:

                      What does this say:



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                      • Originally posted by Balshan View Post
                        Interesting how they wish to deny the truth.

                        Watch your yap bub.

                        The Catholic Church is the "Catholic Church", not the Roman Catholic Church. Within the Catholic Church, there are many "Rites": The Maronite Rite, the Syriac Rite, the Chaldean Rite, the Byzantine Rite, and many many other "Rites" or Churches, and also included is the Latin Rite, or "Roman" rite if you will. The Roman Catholic Church is a part of the Catholic Church, but that is all.

                        What all these Churches - or "Rites" - have in common is doctrine, and submission to the Pope as the Successor of Peter and earthly head of the Church. Not all Catholics are "Latin Rite" Catholics though, and some Catholics can find it rather offensive when the Church is continually referred to as the RCC.

                        Now in America, its true that most Catholics are Latin Rite (Roman Catholic) but many are not. But if you go to some other countries you'll find that most Catholics are NOT Roman Catholics.

                        What does this say:



                        It says "Catechism of the Catholic Church". It does not say "Catechism of the Roman Catholic Church". That is an important point to remember.

                        Quote:
                        RITES

                        A Rite represents an ecclesiastical, or church, tradition about how the sacraments are to be celebrated. Each of the sacraments has at its core an essential nature which must be satisfied for the sacrament to be confected or realized. This essence – of matter, form and intention – derives from the divinely revealed nature of the particular sacrament. It cannot be changed by the Church. Scripture and Sacred Tradition, as interpreted by the Magisterium, tells us what is essential in each of the sacraments (2 Thes. 2:15).

                        When the apostles brought the Gospel to the major cultural centers of their day the essential elements of religious practice were inculturated into those cultures. This means that the essential elements were clothed in the symbols and trappings of the particular people, so that the rituals conveyed the desired spiritual meaning to that culture. In this way the Church becomes all things to all men that some might be saved (1 Cor. 9:22).

                        There are three major groupings of Rites based on this initial transmission of the faith, the Roman, the Antiochian (Syria) and the Alexandrian (Egypt). Later on the Byzantine derived as a major Rite from the Antiochian, under the influence of St. Basil and St. John Chrysostom. From these four derive the over 20 liturgical Rites present in the Church today.
                        source: Catholic Rites and Churches

                        Personally, I would appreciate it if people referred to me as a Catholic, and my Church as the Catholic Church. It would be the respectful thing to do since nobody here really know what Rite me or other Catholics here actually are.

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                        • Originally posted by Trump Gurl View Post


                          Watch your yap bub.

                          The Catholic Church is the "Catholic Church", not the Roman Catholic Church. Within the Catholic Church, there are many "Rites": The Maronite Rite, the Syriac Rite, the Chaldean Rite, the Byzantine Rite, and many many other "Rites" or Churches, and also included is the Latin Rite, or "Roman" rite if you will. The Roman Catholic Church is a part of the Catholic Church, but that is all.

                          What all these Churches - or "Rites" - have in common is doctrine, and submission to the Pope as the Successor of Peter and earthly head of the Church. Not all Catholics are "Latin Rite" Catholics though, and some Catholics can find it rather offensive when the Church is continually referred to as the RCC.

                          Now in America, its true that most Catholics are Latin Rite (Roman Catholic) but many are not. But if you go to some other countries you'll find that most Catholics are NOT Roman Catholics.

                          What does this say:



                          It says "Catechism of the Catholic Church". It does not say "Catechism of the Roman Catholic Church". That is an important point to remember.

                          Quote:
                          RITES

                          A Rite represents an ecclesiastical, or church, tradition about how the sacraments are to be celebrated. Each of the sacraments has at its core an essential nature which must be satisfied for the sacrament to be confected or realized. This essence – of matter, form and intention – derives from the divinely revealed nature of the particular sacrament. It cannot be changed by the Church. Scripture and Sacred Tradition, as interpreted by the Magisterium, tells us what is essential in each of the sacraments (2 Thes. 2:15).

                          When the apostles brought the Gospel to the major cultural centers of their day the essential elements of religious practice were inculturated into those cultures. This means that the essential elements were clothed in the symbols and trappings of the particular people, so that the rituals conveyed the desired spiritual meaning to that culture. In this way the Church becomes all things to all men that some might be saved (1 Cor. 9:22).

                          There are three major groupings of Rites based on this initial transmission of the faith, the Roman, the Antiochian (Syria) and the Alexandrian (Egypt). Later on the Byzantine derived as a major Rite from the Antiochian, under the influence of St. Basil and St. John Chrysostom. From these four derive the over 20 liturgical Rites present in the Church today.
                          source: Catholic Rites and Churches

                          Personally, I would appreciate it if people referred to me as a Catholic, and my Church as the Catholic Church. It would be the respectful thing to do since nobody here really know what Rite me or other Catholics here actually are.
                          Who cares it was known as the Roman Catholic Church for centuries and watch yourself. I call it as I see it.

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                          • Originally posted by tester View Post

                            they are interpreting their church's infallible proclamation
                            and are reaching conflicting conclusions.

                            correct?
                            I respect what you say and it does not mean I agree.

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                            • Originally posted by Balshan View Post
                              Who cares.......
                              .....about the truth? Apparently not you.

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                              • Originally posted by Trump Gurl View Post


                                What does this say:
                                I don't know - remember you explained that we Christians can't read -

                                OTOH, to temporarily give into my inner snark - we are accustomed to the RCC's contradictory assertions.

                                If you have an issue with it being called the Roman Catholic Church or the Roman Church, you may want to notify the Vatican and let them know that they are doing it all wrong.



                                Official web site of the Holy See - WWW.VATICAN.VA
                                www.vatican.va › documents › rc_pc_chrstuni_doc_22051992_info_en
                                May 22, 1992 - A 1 Joint declarations of the Pope with other Heads of Churches . ... Archivist and Librarian of the Holy Roman Church, on the occasion of the ...

                                www.vatican.va › roman_curia › cardinals
                                The Cardinals of the Holy Roman Church: Historical Notes and Code of Canon Law [English, French, Italian, Spanish]. Ordinary Public Consistory for the ...

                                www.vatican.va › archive › ccc_css › archive › catechism
                                1059 "The holy Roman Church firmly believes and confesses that on the Day of Judgment all men will appear in their own bodies before Christ's tribunal to .

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