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    The life functions of a single human cell are far more complex than the world's most capable supercomputer, and impossible for man to duplicate using non-living materials due to that complexity and the sub-microscopic size and fragility of cellular components. The complexity and rapidity of life-requiring DNA transcription into ribosomes, ribozymes, and messenger RNA, and then by ribosomal translation into enzymes and other proteins, boggles the mind. A host of simultaneous purpose-driven enzymatic reactions are required in a membrane-protected milieu of proper pH and electrolyte concentration.
    Any evo arguments stem from uneducated backdrop of not having a clue about complexity.

    https://www.renewamerica.com/columns/cherry/191114

    Do we have any local glob of molecules that can man up and DEMONSTRATE self generated life?

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    I'm back.
    New account.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by nouveau View Post
      Zero
      It must have brutally hard on you having to go a whole month without trolling a science forum.

      Did Santa Claus bring you any more mail order graduate degrees?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by nouveau View Post
        Zero probability for self-generated life.
        Zero probability for God as well. How complex is omniscient? More complex than any single piece of DNA. More complex than all the DNA in the world past, present and future put together end to end.

        I hope the hole in your foot heals soon.
        The Ultimate Truth is that there is no ultimate truth.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Tim H View Post

          It must have brutally hard on you having to go a whole month without trolling a science forum.

          Did Santa Claus bring you any more mail order graduate degrees?
          it was winter, for a while

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Tim H View Post

            It must have brutally hard on you having to go a whole month without trolling a science forum.
            Perhaps trying to win the Sydney to Hobart race at over 30 knots per hour helped stem the frustration.

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            • #7
              Any evo arguments stem from uneducated backdrop of not having a clue about complexity.
              This has been confirmed

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              • #8
                Originally posted by rossum View Post

                Zero probability for God as well.
                Wrong. The probability for God as the origin source for universe earth and all life here has a higher (0=impossible and 1=certain) then the alternative of only natural non-directed causes. Meaning total absence of a mind with a plan.



                How complex is omniscient?
                Relative to not knowing anything?


                More complex than any single piece of DNA.
                Yes. There is no natural explanation for the origin of DNA. Prove it wrong and provide corroborating evidence.
                More complex than all the DNA in the world past, present and future put together end to end.
                Yes. What is your point here? There is no natural explanation for the origin of DNA.

                I hope the hole in your foot heals soon.
                ??? is this sarcasm as opposed to a rational argument?

                If the ultimate truth is no ultimate truth then why believe you?
                Inequality is therefore natural law. Nordau.

                ''Why is it that when it comes to the age of the earth, people reject the recorded history of the Bible in favor of "scientific" guesswork?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by lightbeamrider View Post
                  The probability for God as the origin source for universe earth and all life here has a higher (0=impossible and 1=certain) then the alternative of only natural non-directed causes. Meaning total absence of a mind with a plan.
                  Evidence-free unsupported personal opinion noted.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Tim H View Post

                    Evidence-free unsupported personal opinion noted.
                    It is not my fault you do not know what evidence is. DNA is evidence of a mind. There is no natural origin for DNA. The origin for DNA is either a mind or natural processes. Since your frame of reference is natural processes then that would be the greater claim with the lower probability and thus the greater burden of proof. Do not know is unacceptable since it is either one or the other. Now we have falsified natural processes for the origin of DNA so that leaves a mind as the best explanation given all we know. The greater burden is on you and your side has failed so far. That is in line with the origin post here. Unscientific atheistic convictions not compelling. It is not our problem you are permanently crippled by philosophical atheistic convictions which blind you to the truth.
                    Inequality is therefore natural law. Nordau.

                    ''Why is it that when it comes to the age of the earth, people reject the recorded history of the Bible in favor of "scientific" guesswork?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by lightbeamrider View Post

                      DNA is evidence of a mind. There is no natural origin for DNA.
                      Another evidence-free unsupported personal opinion noted.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by lightbeamrider View Post
                        The probability for God as the origin source for universe earth and all life here has a higher (0=impossible and 1=certain) then the alternative of only natural non-directed causes. Meaning total absence of a mind with a plan.
                        So, according to you, the probability of God is the same as the probability of Allah, Vishnu, Amaterasu etc. There are many gods who are claimed to be the "origin source" and all must have the same probability since they have the same effect.

                        If the ultimate truth is no ultimate truth then why believe you?
                        There are a lot of non-ultimate truths, and I can work easily with them. In the Bible God says not to eat pork, and later He says that eating pork is allowed. Hence not eating pork cannot be an ultimate truth but merely a temporary non-ultimate truth.
                        The Ultimate Truth is that there is no ultimate truth.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by rossum View Post

                          So, according to you, the probability of God is the same as the probability of Allah, Vishnu, Amaterasu etc.
                          No. The probability of God is higher than the probability of natural causes absent a mind. Yours is a deflection.

                          There are many gods who are claimed to be the "origin source"
                          Of the universe and life here? I don't know about that.
                          and all must have the same probability since they have the same effect.
                          Not really and why would you assume that? You don't go to identity until natural causes have been eliminated. Not before. The process is systematic. You don't walk before you crawl. You don't run before you walk. We have been down this road before and you have not learned anything. You have the cart before the horse.

                          There are a lot of non-ultimate truths, and I can work easily with them.
                          Not with half truths. All truth is absolute. What is the origin source of truth? Why does truth exist in the first place?

                          In the Bible God says not to eat pork,
                          Under Jewish law.
                          and later He says that eating pork is allowed.
                          As i recall the eating restriction was applied to the Jews and not to the world as a whole. Back then non Hebrews were more subject to Noah laws as opposed to Mosiac.
                          Hence not eating pork cannot be an ultimate truth but merely a temporary non-ultimate truth.
                          It remains true Jews were restricted from eating pork under Mosiac law. That truth does not change even if the restriction is later lifted. Thou shall not murder does not change and applies to all which draws a distinction from a diet restriction applied to Jews. I am not up on all of it so a practicing Jew would be a better source. I enjoy bacon and pork.

                          Inequality is therefore natural law. Nordau.

                          ''Why is it that when it comes to the age of the earth, people reject the recorded history of the Bible in favor of "scientific" guesswork?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by lightbeamrider View Post

                            It is not my fault you do not know what evidence is. DNA is evidence of a mind. There is no natural origin for DNA. The origin for DNA is either a mind or natural processes. Since your frame of reference is natural processes then that would be the greater claim with the lower probability and thus the greater burden of proof. Do not know is unacceptable since it is either one or the other. Now we have falsified natural processes for the origin of DNA so that leaves a mind as the best explanation given all we know. The greater burden is on you and your side has failed so far. That is in line with the origin post here. Unscientific atheistic convictions not compelling. It is not our problem you are permanently crippled by philosophical atheistic convictions which blind you to the truth.
                            Urey Miller Experiment.

                            Last edited by Mr Laurier; 12-29-2019, 01:42 PM.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by lightbeamrider View Post
                              Of the universe and life here? I don't know about that.
                              You have never heard of the Jewish YHWH who created life here and the universe and is not the Christian God? You have never heard of the Muslim Allah who created life here and the universe and is not the Christian God? You have never heard of the Hindu Vishnu who created life here and the universe and is not the Christian God?

                              You have a lot of studying to do if you want to make your point here.
                              The Ultimate Truth is that there is no ultimate truth.

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