Hi Icy,
based on what your saying that our soul dies when our breath gives out, how do you explain John 11:25 “Jesus said to her, ‘I am the resurrection and the life, he who believes in Me will live even if he DIES’”
So is Jesius lying when He says we will live even if we die?
Hi Formersda,
It seems to me that I address all your questions with biblical responses and then you wave them off and then throw down a bunch more questions. You really need to grapple with the Bible concepts you've already received before jumping from one sinking premise to another one. For instance, you still haven't grappled with how you handle the fact that God ALONE is immortal. It seems to me that you want to kinda, sorta affirm this verity but then also deny it at the same time (aka, cognitive dissonance). Human beings in our current state are considered mortal (
Job 4:17) and we seek immortality (
Romans 2:7), which God gives
only to the redeemed. You yourself have acknowledged this latter fact, but then your cognitive dissonance kicks back in where you attempt to hold onto contradictory ideas at the same time.
Your question above regarding Jesus's statement about living and dying is answered in the self same verse. Jesus says it, "I am the RESURRECTION..." Even if Lazarus wasn't resurrected that particular day, if he accepted Jesus as his Savior then he would be resurrected at the Second Coming of Christ. Even though he died, he
would live again. When? At the resurrection.
While we're on the topic of Lazarus, you'll notice that even though he was dead for three days he had zero to say about being taken away from heavenly bliss. You know why that is? Cuz, according to the Bible, "
the dead know nothing." How much do they know? NOTHING. Zero. Nada. Zilch. Setting aside the cognitive dissonance with God alone being immortal, if mortal humans are also actually immortal then what use is this unending life if you're actually "dead" and "know nothing"?
Jesus also quotes Exodus 3:6 in Mark 12:26,27, “But regarding the fact the dead rise again, have you not read in the book of Moses, in the passage about the burning bush, how God spoke to him, saying, ‘I AM THE GOD OF ABRAHAM, AND THE GOD OF ISSAC, AND THE GOD OF JACOB?’”
”He is not the God of the dead, but of the living, you are greatly mistaken.”
How can God be a God to the living and quoting Abraham, Issac and Jacob if they are dead?
So if your understanding of the above verses is correct, don't you suppose that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob would be with the Lord right now? Aside from the fact that the Bible clearly says, "the dead know nothing," guess what it also says that the dead don't do? They don't praise God. Do you think it's possible for Abraham, Isaac and Jacob to be with God and not be praising Him?
Psalm 115:17
The dead do not praise the Lord, nor any who go down into silence.
Not only do they "not praise the Lord," but when they die they "go down into silence" ? Why are they silent? Because, "the dead know nothing"—not even how to talk!
Jesus equated death with sleep. For Jesus—even though Lazarus was dead—to the Creator he was alive because Jesus is life. If Jesus says to the dead and rotting corpse of Lazarus, "Come forth!" He can reconstitute the missing life in less time than it took Him to say the words.
Oh yes Dust +breath/spirit = living soul/ being is an EGW quote and not in the Bible.
Again I state I have not said about immortality that is you Icy, but eternal life is eternal without ending and according to Jesus we have it now.
Really? It's sad that you claim to have been an Adventist but you are unfamiliar with the Bible texts which you insist do not exist.
Genesis 2:7
And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being [soul].
I wonder if you'd like to retract your accusation that the premise that dust + breath = living soul/being "is an EGW quote"?
Do you know that the Bible says that when we die this process is reversed?
Ecclesiastes 12:7
Then the dust will return to the earth as it was, and the spirit will return to God who gave it. (the Hebrew word translated here as "spirit" simply means "breath." See also how the CEB and CEV translations render this verse).
I pray this helps.
But for the grace of God go I,cyspark