Be quiet - the parents don't have to know

I looked into your “79-94% of children will no longer have dysphoria after puberty” claim. It seems to be based on a flawed study where many of the participants didn’t even identify as trans.

I have no reason to believe you can access actual data, but will just repeat the lies you are fed by right-wing propaganda blogs.

The Lancet Oct 20, 2022

“(98%) people who had started gender-affirming medical treatment in adolescence continued to use gender-affirming hormones at follow-up”
Be careful. In the minds of the trans deluded, there are two possibilities.
1. The vast majority of children presenting as trans, revert to their birth gender after a short period. This is evidence that trans gender is an entirely artificial state brought upon by woke culture grooming the vulnerable through extreme leftist teaching.

2. The vast majority of children presenting as trans, permanently reject their birth gender after and persist in gender affirming strategies in their new gender. This too is evidence that trans gender is an entirely artificial state brought upon by woke culture grooming the vulnerable through extreme leftist teaching.

Somehow, both possibilities exist at the same time, and are used interchangeably to project the lie that transgender children are the victims of grooming.
 
Be careful. In the minds of the trans deluded, there are two possibilities.
1. The vast majority of children presenting as trans, revert to their birth gender after a short period. This is evidence that trans gender is an entirely artificial state brought upon by woke culture grooming the vulnerable through extreme leftist teaching.

2. The vast majority of children presenting as trans, permanently reject their birth gender after and persist in gender affirming strategies in their new gender. This too is evidence that trans gender is an entirely artificial state brought upon by woke culture grooming the vulnerable through extreme leftist teaching.

Somehow, both possibilities exist at the same time, and are used interchangeably to project the lie that transgender children are the victims of grooming.

You know backup is wrong about what he said in his post, right? There's been MULTIPLE studies - which I've cited in this forum in the past month - done by different people on different populations and the story is still the same across the board.
 
Be careful. In the minds of the trans deluded, there are two possibilities.
1. The vast majority of children presenting as trans, revert to their birth gender after a short period. This is evidence that trans gender is an entirely artificial state brought upon by woke culture grooming the vulnerable through extreme leftist teaching.

2. The vast majority of children presenting as trans, permanently reject their birth gender after and persist in gender affirming strategies in their new gender. This too is evidence that trans gender is an entirely artificial state brought upon by woke culture grooming the vulnerable through extreme leftist teaching.

Somehow, both possibilities exist at the same time, and are used interchangeably to project the lie that transgender children are the victims of grooming.
Your two propositions are in your own mind. There is no medical or scientific data for them.
There is no 'trans deluded'. What you claim is contrary to the data. You are trapped in an imaginary world of child abusing trans ideology.

However, you told us that biological sex and gender were not the same. So tell us Temujin what their birth gender was since its not male or female or intersex? You cant can you, because its a lie. What you claim in your posts are lies. The evidence has been presented.
 
You know backup is wrong about what he said in his post, right? There's been MULTIPLE studies - which I've cited in this forum in the past month - done by different people on different populations and the story is still the same across the board.
They are part of the mass psychosis.
 
Be careful. In the minds of the trans deluded, there are two possibilities.
1. The vast majority of children presenting as trans, revert to their birth gender after a short period. This is evidence that trans gender is an entirely artificial state brought upon by woke culture grooming the vulnerable through extreme leftist teaching.

2. The vast majority of children presenting as trans, permanently reject their birth gender after and persist in gender affirming strategies in their new gender. This too is evidence that trans gender is an entirely artificial state brought upon by woke culture grooming the vulnerable through extreme leftist teaching.

Somehow, both possibilities exist at the same time, and are used interchangeably to project the lie that transgender children are the victims of grooming.

I replied to this differently, referencing backup's post. But now I'll deal with this itself.

People identify as transgender for different reasons. For some, there's real gender dysphoria - a distress they experience from an incongruence between their biological sex and what they perceive their gender is. This comes from a combination of what they feel internally and also what society tells them boys and girls "are like". If gender identity is truly disconnected from biological sex, then one's feeling about their gender can only come from some sort of external model or norm or image of what boys and girls "are like". If that image doesn't match how they feel, then they're going to experience some degree of gender dysphoria.

Another possibility is that society sends messages to people that they're trans. In impressionable young people, there exists a phenomenon called "rapid onset gender dysphoria", and honestly, it's more of a young people's "fad", if you will. It's a person experiencing some other confusion in life, maybe has some sexual confusion going on, and reads a ton (normally, but obviously not limited to, social media) and hears from those around them that they must be transgender, and so they adopt that identity.

We KNOW that society has this kind of impact on impressionable young people. Why else would so many do things like eat Tide pods? They do SO MANY things due to the influence of culture.

So what happens is that, left on their own, up to 90% of teens that identify as trans grow out of it. The data is abundant and it's clear on that. HOWEVER, if they are given puberty blockers, their normal physical processes are greatly altered, and it actually "pushes" people to be more likely to maintain a transgender identity. It does so because you're messing with their biology, with their hormones. You change a normally functioning body and you make it function in an abnormal way, and of course that's going to have consequences.

So you've got little 11 year old Susie who might have sexual affinity for other girls, but doesn't want to be known as "lesbian". She may have other, more typically masculine, characteristics and interests. And when her friends and social media talk about how brave it is to be transgender, and how if you are a girl and like boy things, you're probably transgender, little 11 year old Susie announces that she's transgender. And the teachers and other people in her life are told they have to affirm Susie in this, so they do. So it solidifies this notion in her, and she decides she wants to transition. Now if left on her own, she'd grow out of this - 90% likely, anyway. But if she's given puberty blockers, suddenly that 90% number goes down a lot, and since her body's natural and normal function has been distorted and disrupted, she's more likely to continue in a transgender identity.

So transgender identity isn't "artificial"; it normally begins with some internal feeling that's disconnected with his or her sense of gender. But THAT sense of gender is greatly influenced by the social messaging he or she receives.

Hope that helps.
 
I replied to this differently, referencing backup's post. But now I'll deal with this itself.

People identify as transgender for different reasons. For some, there's real gender dysphoria - a distress they experience from an incongruence between their biological sex and what they perceive their gender is. This comes from a combination of what they feel internally and also what society tells them boys and girls "are like". If gender identity is truly disconnected from biological sex, then one's feeling about their gender can only come from some sort of external model or norm or image of what boys and girls "are like". If that image doesn't match how they feel, then they're going to experience some degree of gender dysphoria.

Another possibility is that society sends messages to people that they're trans. In impressionable young people, there exists a phenomenon called "rapid onset gender dysphoria", and honestly, it's more of a young people's "fad", if you will. It's a person experiencing some other confusion in life, maybe has some sexual confusion going on, and reads a ton (normally, but obviously not limited to, social media) and hears from those around them that they must be transgender, and so they adopt that identity.

We KNOW that society has this kind of impact on impressionable young people. Why else would so many do things like eat Tide pods? They do SO MANY things due to the influence of culture.

So what happens is that, left on their own, up to 90% of teens that identify as trans grow out of it. The data is abundant and it's clear on that. HOWEVER, if they are given puberty blockers, their normal physical processes are greatly altered, and it actually "pushes" people to be more likely to maintain a transgender identity. It does so because you're messing with their biology, with their hormones. You change a normally functioning body and you make it function in an abnormal way, and of course that's going to have consequences.

So you've got little 11 year old Susie who might have sexual affinity for other girls, but doesn't want to be known as "lesbian". She may have other, more typically masculine, characteristics and interests. And when her friends and social media talk about how brave it is to be transgender, and how if you are a girl and like boy things, you're probably transgender, little 11 year old Susie announces that she's transgender. And the teachers and other people in her life are told they have to affirm Susie in this, so they do. So it solidifies this notion in her, and she decides she wants to transition. Now if left on her own, she'd grow out of this - 90% likely, anyway. But if she's given puberty blockers, suddenly that 90% number goes down a lot, and since her body's natural and normal function has been distorted and disrupted, she's more likely to continue in a transgender identity.

So transgender identity isn't "artificial"; it normally begins with some internal feeling that's disconnected with his or her sense of gender. But THAT sense of gender is greatly influenced by the social messaging he or she receives.

Hope that helps.
Thank you Crazy Ivan, this is a valuable post explaining the whole situation. It is invaluable for anyone who doesn't know this.
The challenge comes for the parents whose children have been lied to and who now identify as trans through the ideology, probably mutilated for life, as with those family members who genuinely have dysphoria and whose condition is made a mockery by the lunatic ideology.
 
I replied to this differently, referencing backup's post. But now I'll deal with this itself.

People identify as transgender for different reasons. For some, there's real gender dysphoria - a distress they experience from an incongruence between their biological sex and what they perceive their gender is. This comes from a combination of what they feel internally and also what society tells them boys and girls "are like". If gender identity is truly disconnected from biological sex, then one's feeling about their gender can only come from some sort of external model or norm or image of what boys and girls "are like". If that image doesn't match how they feel, then they're going to experience some degree of gender dysphoria.

Another possibility is that society sends messages to people that they're trans. In impressionable young people, there exists a phenomenon called "rapid onset gender dysphoria", and honestly, it's more of a young people's "fad", if you will. It's a person experiencing some other confusion in life, maybe has some sexual confusion going on, and reads a ton (normally, but obviously not limited to, social media) and hears from those around them that they must be transgender, and so they adopt that identity.

We KNOW that society has this kind of impact on impressionable young people. Why else would so many do things like eat Tide pods? They do SO MANY things due to the influence of culture.

So what happens is that, left on their own, up to 90% of teens that identify as trans grow out of it. The data is abundant and it's clear on that. HOWEVER, if they are given puberty blockers, their normal physical processes are greatly altered, and it actually "pushes" people to be more likely to maintain a transgender identity. It does so because you're messing with their biology, with their hormones. You change a normally functioning body and you make it function in an abnormal way, and of course that's going to have consequences.

So you've got little 11 year old Susie who might have sexual affinity for other girls, but doesn't want to be known as "lesbian". She may have other, more typically masculine, characteristics and interests. And when her friends and social media talk about how brave it is to be transgender, and how if you are a girl and like boy things, you're probably transgender, little 11 year old Susie announces that she's transgender. And the teachers and other people in her life are told they have to affirm Susie in this, so they do. So it solidifies this notion in her, and she decides she wants to transition. Now if left on her own, she'd grow out of this - 90% likely, anyway. But if she's given puberty blockers, suddenly that 90% number goes down a lot, and since her body's natural and normal function has been distorted and disrupted, she's more likely to continue in a transgender identity.

So transgender identity isn't "artificial"; it normally begins with some internal feeling that's disconnected with his or her sense of gender. But THAT sense of gender is greatly influenced by the social messaging he or she receives.

Hope that helps.

Thank you - well written.

The word tomboy came to mind as I was reading your essay. Tomboy : a girl who enjoys things that people think are more suited to boys

Simply because a girl learns to pitch a baseball just like a boy and enjoys getting her hands dirty fixing cars, does not mean she doesn't like being a girl.


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Thank you - well written.

The word tomboy came to mind as I was reading your essay. Tomboy : a girl who enjoys things that people think are more suited to boys

Simply because a girl learns to pitch a baseball just like a boy and enjoys getting her hands dirty fixing cars, does not mean she doesn't like being a girl.

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What will be the outcome? In the UK we have women arrested by the Police for stating the biological facts, and transgender activists ignored by the Police for asking for people to be decapitated
 
Well - and this is a beef I have with the evangelical community - we've been complicit in this whole thing. Anyone who's ever read John Eldredge's "Wild at Heart" knows there's this evangelical Christian image of what boys and girls ought to be like. Books like Eldredge's have done untold damage to boys who have been told that God made them to be "conquerers" and "hunters" and "strong" and "leaders", with all the stereotypical imagery that goes along with that. So if you're little Timmy and you actually like cooking and ballet dancing and flowers, you must NOT be a "real boy". And that gets Timmy thinking that maybe he's "really" a girl.

So some of this is conservative/evangelical Christianity's fault. Or at least we're complicit in this.
 
Well - and this is a beef I have with the evangelical community - we've been complicit in this whole thing. Anyone who's ever read John Eldredge's "Wild at Heart" knows there's this evangelical Christian image of what boys and girls ought to be like. Books like Eldredge's have done untold damage to boys who have been told that God made them to be "conquerers" and "hunters" and "strong" and "leaders", with all the stereotypical imagery that goes along with that. So if you're little Timmy and you actually like cooking and ballet dancing and flowers, you must NOT be a "real boy". And that gets Timmy thinking that maybe he's "really" a girl.

So some of this is conservative/evangelical Christianity's fault. Or at least we're complicit in this.
yep I tend to agree.
 
What will be the outcome? In the UK we have women arrested by the Police for stating the biological facts, and transgender activists ignored by the Police for asking for people to be decapitated

Whew! The ultimate outcome is outlined in the Bible.

For now we live in a fallen world, but the way to eternal life is available to all that believe in Jesus.

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I replied to this differently, referencing backup's post. But now I'll deal with this itself.

People identify as transgender for different reasons. For some, there's real gender dysphoria - a distress they experience from an incongruence between their biological sex and what they perceive their gender is. This comes from a combination of what they feel internally and also what society tells them boys and girls "are like". If gender identity is truly disconnected from biological sex, then one's feeling about their gender can only come from some sort of external model or norm or image of what boys and girls "are like". If that image doesn't match how they feel, then they're going to experience some degree of gender dysphoria.

Another possibility is that society sends messages to people that they're trans. In impressionable young people, there exists a phenomenon called "rapid onset gender dysphoria", and honestly, it's more of a young people's "fad", if you will. It's a person experiencing some other confusion in life, maybe has some sexual confusion going on, and reads a ton (normally, but obviously not limited to, social media) and hears from those around them that they must be transgender, and so they adopt that identity.

We KNOW that society has this kind of impact on impressionable young people. Why else would so many do things like eat Tide pods? They do SO MANY things due to the influence of culture.

So what happens is that, left on their own, up to 90% of teens that identify as trans grow out of it. The data is abundant and it's clear on that. HOWEVER, if they are given puberty blockers, their normal physical processes are greatly altered, and it actually "pushes" people to be more likely to maintain a transgender identity. It does so because you're messing with their biology, with their hormones. You change a normally functioning body and you make it function in an abnormal way, and of course that's going to have consequences.

So you've got little 11 year old Susie who might have sexual affinity for other girls, but doesn't want to be known as "lesbian". She may have other, more typically masculine, characteristics and interests. And when her friends and social media talk about how brave it is to be transgender, and how if you are a girl and like boy things, you're probably transgender, little 11 year old Susie announces that she's transgender. And the teachers and other people in her life are told they have to affirm Susie in this, so they do. So it solidifies this notion in her, and she decides she wants to transition. Now if left on her own, she'd grow out of this - 90% likely, anyway. But if she's given puberty blockers, suddenly that 90% number goes down a lot, and since her body's natural and normal function has been distorted and disrupted, she's more likely to continue in a transgender identity.

So transgender identity isn't "artificial"; it normally begins with some internal feeling that's disconnected with his or her sense of gender. But THAT sense of gender is greatly influenced by the social messaging he or she receives.

Hope that helps.
It helps me understand your point of view. It doesn't help deal with the accusation of grooming, which specifically relates to indoctrination of a child in order to enable sexual assault. Such an accusation leveled at professionals in medicine and teaching is not just dangerous lunacy but undermines the safety of both the professionals themselves and the vulnerable people in their care. It is this term of grooming that I take issue with. The differing attitudes to trans issues are not a problem without the visceral hatred whipped up by the burning martyrs of the right. This is not a culture war, or an attempt to desexualise or emasculate society. Trans people have always existed, and always will. The issue isn't their existence, or how they become trans, it is about how to treat them, not just medically, but as fully functioning members of society. Declaring that they and their situation do not actually exist, and labelling those who care for and support them as child abusers and paedophile groomers is not just inaccurate, it is uncivilised. It also doesn't do much to lessen the suicide rate of trans people in your society that you keep talking about. If we can keep the debate at a civilised level, which I absolutely acknowledge you personally do, then there is hope of resolving what is a tiny minority problem without demonising the entire teaching and medical system.
 
It helps me understand your point of view. It doesn't help deal with the accusation of grooming, which specifically relates to indoctrination of a child in order to enable sexual assault. Such an accusation leveled at professionals in medicine and teaching is not just dangerous lunacy but undermines the safety of both the professionals themselves and the vulnerable people in their care. It is this term of grooming that I take issue with. The differing attitudes to trans issues are not a problem without the visceral hatred whipped up by the burning martyrs of the right. This is not a culture war, or an attempt to desexualise or emasculate society. Trans people have always existed, and always will. The issue isn't their existence, or how they become trans, it is about how to treat them, not just medically, but as fully functioning members of society. Declaring that they and their situation do not actually exist, and labelling those who care for and support them as child abusers and paedophile groomers is not just inaccurate, it is uncivilised. It also doesn't do much to lessen the suicide rate of trans people in your society that you keep talking about. If we can keep the debate at a civilised level, which I absolutely acknowledge you personally do, then there is hope of resolving what is a tiny minority problem without demonising the entire teaching and medical system.

I honestly don't know much about "grooming". What you say here surprises me, as I thought it was about schools, not medical professionals. So I can't really speak to it, unfortunately.
 
It helps me understand your point of view. It doesn't help deal with the accusation of grooming, which specifically relates to indoctrination of a child in order to enable sexual assault. Such an accusation leveled at professionals in medicine and teaching is not just dangerous lunacy but undermines the safety of both the professionals themselves and the vulnerable people in their care. It is this term of grooming that I take issue with. The differing attitudes to trans issues are not a problem without the visceral hatred whipped up by the burning martyrs of the right. This is not a culture war, or an attempt to desexualise or emasculate society. Trans people have always existed, and always will. The issue isn't their existence, or how they become trans, it is about how to treat them, not just medically, but as fully functioning members of society. Declaring that they and their situation do not actually exist, and labelling those who care for and support them as child abusers and paedophile groomers is not just inaccurate, it is uncivilised. It also doesn't do much to lessen the suicide rate of trans people in your society that you keep talking about. If we can keep the debate at a civilised level, which I absolutely acknowledge you personally do, then there is hope of resolving what is a tiny minority problem without demonising the entire teaching and medical system.
Nothing is resolved here.

You should take a look at Libs of Tik Tok of teachers and then try to tell us they are not dangerous lunatics.
 
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