Please let us lay down some guidelines:-
1. Do not say the scriptures do not say it is symbolic, that is just pointless. No one says they are speaking symbolically. If you make that defense then you are saying Peter is Satan, Herod is a fox, Jesus is a door and we should cut off body parts (thank you to the poster that pointed that argument out) and then Mary must be a sinner.
2. Do not use the saying you have no authority because that applies to every single RC who posts on these threads. You have no authority at all.
Please try and show with reasons and evidence why we should take it as literal.
Not one of these reasons for it not being the real presence have been answered by RCs, if it is the real presence then Jesus has broken His own Word about not consuming human flesh or drinking blood.
The hypocrisy of the RCC on these matters is showing. Let us look at the facts once again:
1. The covenant comes in with the shedding of blood, this did not happen at the last supper. The death of the testator.
2. Jesus was telling the apostles what was to happen, foretelling and preparation.
3. The Passover meal is symbolic, the elements at the meal are symbolic.
4. You are ignoring other scripture verses including Luke and Hebrews. Luke tells us it is a remembrance not literal.
5. There are evidence for all other physical changes - the Nile turning to blood water could not be drunk, the water into wine it was tasted, best wine.
6. It would be breaking the commandment against drinking blood which is in both testaments.
7. Jesus did not tempt the apostles to sin, Satan is the one who tempts us not Jesus.
8. If Jesus had tempted the apostles to sin, He would no longer be spotless and that would mean he was not our saviour.
9. The rules of covenants means a sacrifice is needed, there was no sacrifices at the LS.
10. The NC is related to a sin offering in Heb. which means there has to be a real death, a real sacrifice.
11. There is no evidence for it being literal when read in context of all scripture.
12. In the first Passover, the sign for deliverance and the only sign was the blood from the sacrificed lamb on the door lintels. Nothing else.
Another poster has shown that Jesus did state He was being symbolic:
after the Last Supper
before the Garden
John 16:25
“I have said these things to you in figures of speech.
1. Do not say the scriptures do not say it is symbolic, that is just pointless. No one says they are speaking symbolically. If you make that defense then you are saying Peter is Satan, Herod is a fox, Jesus is a door and we should cut off body parts (thank you to the poster that pointed that argument out) and then Mary must be a sinner.
2. Do not use the saying you have no authority because that applies to every single RC who posts on these threads. You have no authority at all.
Please try and show with reasons and evidence why we should take it as literal.
Not one of these reasons for it not being the real presence have been answered by RCs, if it is the real presence then Jesus has broken His own Word about not consuming human flesh or drinking blood.
The hypocrisy of the RCC on these matters is showing. Let us look at the facts once again:
1. The covenant comes in with the shedding of blood, this did not happen at the last supper. The death of the testator.
2. Jesus was telling the apostles what was to happen, foretelling and preparation.
3. The Passover meal is symbolic, the elements at the meal are symbolic.
4. You are ignoring other scripture verses including Luke and Hebrews. Luke tells us it is a remembrance not literal.
5. There are evidence for all other physical changes - the Nile turning to blood water could not be drunk, the water into wine it was tasted, best wine.
6. It would be breaking the commandment against drinking blood which is in both testaments.
7. Jesus did not tempt the apostles to sin, Satan is the one who tempts us not Jesus.
8. If Jesus had tempted the apostles to sin, He would no longer be spotless and that would mean he was not our saviour.
9. The rules of covenants means a sacrifice is needed, there was no sacrifices at the LS.
10. The NC is related to a sin offering in Heb. which means there has to be a real death, a real sacrifice.
11. There is no evidence for it being literal when read in context of all scripture.
12. In the first Passover, the sign for deliverance and the only sign was the blood from the sacrificed lamb on the door lintels. Nothing else.
Another poster has shown that Jesus did state He was being symbolic:
after the Last Supper
before the Garden
John 16:25
“I have said these things to you in figures of speech.