Prayer for the lost

[eternomade]

Does the Determinist pray for the lost and what is it you would have God to do?

I always pray that God's will is done. Do I have desires? Yes.

 

[travelah]

They convict themselves. That's not something God does. It's a choice you make. You hear the gospel and Hos sits there and hopes for the best.

On what Christian basis do you make such an accusation?

 

[Reformedguy]

On what Christian basis do you make such an accusation?

My accusation is against Provisionists not Arminians. Some of them have said that saving faith is even possible without God's grace.

 

[Reformedguy]

The Spirit is not in the heart of an unbeliever

Then how?

 

[Reformedguy]

Does the Determinist pray for the lost and what is it you would have God to do?

Absolutely. Gift them faith, grant them belief and repentance. Give the Spirit so they may understand. If He does not then they are obviously not elect.

See how you answer a question? Practice and address the OP.

 

[fltom]

Absolutely. Gift them faith, grant them belief and repentance. Give the Spirit so they may understand. If He does not then they are obviously not elect.

See how you answer a question? Practice and address the OP.

it was already determined so your prayer is useless

 

[SovereignGrace]

Of course; Christ is the Saviour of all men and is not willing that any should perish.
Do you also wish to pray for the lost for whom Christ did not die?

In what capacity is Jesus the Savior of all men? How can He be Savior of all men when obviously all men aren’t saved? Please expound.

 

[fltom]

In what capacity is Jesus the Savior of all men? How can He be Savior of all men when obviously all men aren’t saved? Please expound.

The bible says he is

1 Timothy 4:10 (LSB) — 10 For it is for this we labor and strive, because we have fixed our hope on the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of believers.

he offered up a sacrifice for all men so that whosoever trusts in him will be saved

 

[Theophilus]

it was already determined so your prayer is useless

Exactly nothing can change in determinism . It’s all been preprogrammed to occur every thought , action and deed both good and evil and their god authored it all .

 

[PeanutGallery]

In what capacity is Jesus the Savior of all men? How can He be Savior of all men when obviously all men aren’t saved? Please expound.

Already answered.

The bible says he is

1 Timothy 4:10 (LSB) — 10 For it is for this we labor and strive, because we have fixed our hope on the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of believers.

he offered up a sacrifice for all men so that whosoever trusts in him will be saved

 

[SovereignGrace]

Already answered.

Where? I didn’t see it. Please send me a link.

 

[Reformedguy]

it was already determined so your prayer is useless

Nope. My prayer is part of God's decree. Part of the plan. Hardly useless

 

[Reformedguy]

The bible says he is

1 Timothy 4:10 (LSB) — 10 For it is for this we labor and strive, because we have fixed our hope on the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of believers.

he offered up a sacrifice for all men so that whosoever trusts in him will be saved

So what about His offering is not good enough? What's missing?

 

[Reformedguy]

Then how?

Bump for Tom

 

[fltom]

So what about His offering is not good enough? What's missing?

Why are you running from the text

The bible says he is

1 Timothy 4:10 (LSB) — 10 For it is for this we labor and strive, because we have fixed our hope on the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of believers.

he offered up a sacrifice for all men so that whosoever trusts in him will be saved

 

[fltom]

Nope. My prayer is part of God's decree. Part of the plan. Hardly useless

you do not know that

II. Although God knows whatsoever may or can come to pass upon all supposed conditions; yet hath he not decreed any thing because he foresaw it as future, or as that which would come to pass upon such conditions.

Westminster Assembly, The Westminster Confession of Faith: Edinburgh Edition (Philadelphia: William S. Young, 1851), 26–27.

 

[Janice Bower]

I liked how God changed Jonah's mind, but the people I prayed for passed away as unbelievers. I have had answered prayers though.

 

[Janice Bower]

it was already determined so your prayer is useless

If praying is useless, God wouldn't have instructed us to pray. But my prayers don't force God to do my will.

 

[fltom]

On what Christian basis do you make such an accusation?

None. Its simply the desire to make an acusation

 

[fltom]

If praying is useless, God wouldn't have instructed us to pray. But my prayers don't force God to do my will.

Maybe God is not the determinist Calvinism portrays him to be