Small price for someone slated for eternal resurrection to pay.
Monty Hall's Production Crew: Arminian or Calvinist? Decision versus Outcome
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stiggy wiggy
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After we are born, He doesn't make us who we are. We, along with our environment do. God didn't make OJ into either a great running back, nor into a killer.
stiggy wiggy
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So if you knew you would be resurrected, you'd have no problem with being crucified naked in front of your family? I doubt you'd survive the first nail without wetting yourself.
Don't worry. Not an ad hominem. I probably wouldn't either.
treeplanter
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Tis God that does that, stiggy!
Romans 3:10
As it is written:
“There is no one righteous, not even one;
Do we have the free will ability to choose between right and wrong on an individual, case by case, basis?
Yes, absolutely
In fact, we do so countless times throughout a lifetime
Are we, however, free to choose a life of perfect sinlessness?
No, not according to scripture!
According to scripture, each and every single one of us {sans Jesus} are sinners by dint of failing to live perfectly sinlessly
It is beyond ridiculous to imagine that 100 billion+ human beings have freely chosen sin over sinlessness and just one person has opted for the opposite
Nope - we are all {Jesus notwithstanding} sinners because God chose that it be this way
And being that living in accordance with God and His expectation/demand of perfect sinlessness is the absolute most integral and important and essential component of life itself - it is perfectly clear that our utter inability, from birth, to do so reflects an absence of 'true' free will
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I’m not saying Jesus wouldn't go through panic before enjoying his seat next to the most high any more or less than “drowning babies” wouldn’t panic in the flood. The point was originally yours that the babies enjoy an eternity in paradise, and eternity next to whatever short pain of drowning entails is worth the trade. At least Jesus knew what waited for him afterwards during the painful transition. The people of Noah’s time didn’t believe in an afterlife yet.
How can you even know that to be true?
On a similar note (the afterlife), Ehrman's book, Heaven and Hell, came in the mail today. I'm going to start reading it this weekend. There's 14 chapters!
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stiggy wiggy
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No. Want me to prove it? Name one thing you are physically capable of doing, that you can't do. Can't do it, can ya?
Correct. But what's that have to do with your ability to fart but not fly. See above.
Yes. The ability, not the inclination.
For that matter, you're not free to "choose a life" of never breathing. Or never eating. That hardly means you have no free will. You should have used your free will to not type that asinine comment
More stupidity. You could just have stupidly typed: "We are all eaters by dint of failing to live without eating." No, we are all eaters because we eat. Likewise we are all sinners because we sin.
Heh, name one sin God caused you to commit.
Now, instead of pulling your usual method of just starting a new paragraph and ignoring everything I said while launching out to repeat your failed points, respond to each and every thing I said, please.
stiggy wiggy
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I know, instead you said Jesus paid a small price. As if you could have undergone what He underwent with ease.
Tiburon
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And you replied that we couldn't know that any proof we came up with to prove freewill was "real".
That doesn't seem to be a logical extension of determinism.
Tiburon
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Tell that to rape victims.
stiggy wiggy
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Correct.
Who said it was?
If you are being held a gunpoint by a thug who tells you that he is going to kidnap one of your daughters standing next to you and that you can decide which one, or he will kill them both on the spot, and you struggle with what free will decision to make, you'll damn sure know the horrifying reality of your free will choice.
stiggy wiggy
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I won't need to. If they are alive for me to tell them that, they'll KNOW their life wasn't destroyed. They'd be dead if it had been.
Tiburon
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Wrong. Your life can be destroyed without you being dead.
Tiburon
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You intimated that it would be in question.
You'll know the horrifying reality of your "choice". You still won't know if you're making it from free will.
stiggy wiggy
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Obviously not. If X is destroyed, X no longer is. Elementary. What you SHOULD have said is, "your life can be RUINED without you being dead."
stiggy wiggy
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Where? Show me.
You mean if you're an idiot you won't. You'll realize that you were not a robot when you did.
And do you really think putting quote marks around the word "choice" makes it no longer a choice?
Yes. That’s what I said.
stiggy wiggy
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I know. He gave His life, which you deem a "small price." What would constitute a large price to you?
Eightcrackers
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He got another one - an eternal one, which he knew he was going to get.
Hence, small price.
If he had died and stayed dead, that would have been a big price.