YHWH / Jesus Created Alone By Himself.

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YHWH / Jesus Created Alone By Himself.


(Is 44:24) Thus says the Lord [YHWH], your Redeemer, And He who formed you from the womb: “I am the Lord [YHWH}, who makes all things, Who stretches out the heavens all alone, Who spreads abroad the earth by Myself;.

YHWH states that He exclusively, alone and without anyone else involved, brought about the physical and temporal. He alone is the cause that brought about the effect =all that exist.

Jn 1:3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.

Note the emphatic contrast in the statement.
“All” = exclusive, used to refer to the whole quantity, quantity of what = anything created.
“Nothing” exclusive, not anything; no single thing. Makes it clear if anything was created it was created by Jesus.


Seem to have a contradiction. Was it Jesus, or was it YHWH who created, exclusively, alone by Himself.


(Heb 1:8–10). But to the Son He says: “Your throne, O God [HO THEOS}, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom. 9 You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God [HO THEOS}, , Your God [HO THEOS}, has anointed You With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.” 10 And: “You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the work of Your hands.

The Father identifies Himself as God {HO THEOS] in vs 9.
The same Father who identified as [HO THEOS] in vs 9 addresses the Son as {HO THEOS} in vs 8 and 9.
The same Father who identified as [HO THEOS] in vs 9 addresses the Son as {HO THEOS} in vs 8 and 9 states in vs 10 that the temporal and physical coming into existence from nothing and by nothing was the works of Jesus’ hands.

Note: HO THEOS is the Greek equivalent of YHWH.


Premise 1= Isaiah 44:24 YHWH brought about creation alone, by Himself.
Premise 2= John 1:3 States that anything that was created was created exclusively by Jesus.
Premise 3 = Hebrews 1:8-10 The Father identifies Jesus as HO THEOS
Premise 4 = Hebrews 1:8-10 The Father states that creation was the direct result of Jesus’ ‘HANDS’.
Conclusion Jesus is YHWH along with the Father.
 
YHWH / Jesus Created Alone By Himself.


(Is 44:24) Thus says the Lord [YHWH], your Redeemer, And He who formed you from the womb: “I am the Lord [YHWH}, who makes all things, Who stretches out the heavens all alone, Who spreads abroad the earth by Myself;.

YHWH states that He exclusively, alone and without anyone else involved, brought about the physical and temporal. He alone is the cause that brought about the effect =all that exist.

Jn 1:3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.

Note the emphatic contrast in the statement.
“All” = exclusive, used to refer to the whole quantity, quantity of what = anything created.
“Nothing” exclusive, not anything; no single thing. Makes it clear if anything was created it was created by Jesus.


Seem to have a contradiction. Was it Jesus, or was it YHWH who created, exclusively, alone by Himself.


(Heb 1:8–10). But to the Son He says: “Your throne, O God [HO THEOS}, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom. 9 You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God [HO THEOS}, , Your God [HO THEOS}, has anointed You With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.” 10 And: “You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the work of Your hands.

The Father identifies Himself as God {HO THEOS] in vs 9.
The same Father who identified as [HO THEOS] in vs 9 addresses the Son as {HO THEOS} in vs 8 and 9.
The same Father who identified as [HO THEOS] in vs 9 addresses the Son as {HO THEOS} in vs 8 and 9 states in vs 10 that the temporal and physical coming into existence from nothing and by nothing was the works of Jesus’ hands.

Note: HO THEOS is the Greek equivalent of YHWH.


Premise 1= Isaiah 44:24 YHWH brought about creation alone, by Himself.
Premise 2= John 1:3 States that anything that was created was created exclusively by Jesus.
Premise 3 = Hebrews 1:8-10 The Father identifies Jesus as HO THEOS
Premise 4 = Hebrews 1:8-10 The Father states that creation was the direct result of Jesus’ ‘HANDS’.
Conclusion Jesus is YHWH along with the Father.
Jesus alone the Supreme creator

 
Jesus alone the Supreme creator

Your post. 24 Thus says the Lord [YHWH}, your Redeemer, And He who formed you from the womb: “I am the Lord, who makes all things, Who stretches out the heavens all alone,

Notice YHWH states that He alone created all. Makes all and screeches out speaks of hands on activity, Alone = exclusivity.

8 But to the Son He says: “Your throne, O God [HO THEOS], is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom. 9 You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God [HO THEOS], Your God [HO THEOS], has anointed You With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.” 10 And: “You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the work of Your hands.

The father identifies the Son as HO Theos = YHWH. Notice the Father states that the Son created all, hands on activity.
 
Just to clarify the doctrine of the Trinity…

Did YHWH / The Father create?
26 Then God {Elohym] said, “Let Us make [plural verb] man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over [g]all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” 27 So God [Elohym] created [singular verb] man in His own image; in the image of God He created[singular verb] him; male and female He created [singular verb] them.

Elohym is plural intensive - singular meaning.

When Elohym carries a plural verb its plural, when carries a singular verb its singular.
Note vs 26 Elohym carries a plural verb. =Elohym [plural] said X. = The Trinity said X
Note vs 27 Elohym carries a singular verb. Elohym [singular] did X = Jesus created.
 
26 Then God {Elohym] said, “Let Us make [plural verb] man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over [g]all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” 27 So God [Elohym] created [singular verb] man in His own image; in the image of God He created[singular verb] him; male and female He created [singular verb] them.

Elohym is plural intensive - singular meaning.

When Elohym carries a plural verb its plural, when carries a singular verb its singular.
Note vs 26 Elohym carries a plural verb. =Elohym [plural] said X. = The Trinity said X
Note vs 27 Elohym carries a singular verb. Elohym [singular] did X = Jesus created.
But created and make are 2 different things as you are making "create" and "make" equal the same meaning of create.
 
Look it up in the dictionary and make would be to get it ready to be done and create would be to do it.
Half a dozen and six of another, so what? Make or create is irrelevant.
The objective of the author was to communicate that man came into existence because of God. It’s cause-and-effect.
The effect man is here, the cause God created, or made man.
 
Half a dozen and six of another, so what? Make or create is irrelevant.
The objective of the author was to communicate that man came into existence because of God. It’s cause-and-effect.
The effect man is here, the cause God created, or made man.
Yes cause and effect. If I said that I will make it and then create it, that means I will plan it and get things ready and then create it. Notice at the vs you are talking about that make and create are used talking about the same subject creating man.
 
Yes cause and effect. If I said that I will make it and then create it, that means I will plan it and get things ready and then create it. Notice at the vs you are talking about that make and create are used talking about the same subject creating man.
How does this relate to
Elohym is plural intensive - singular meaning.

When Elohym carries a plural verb its plural, when carries a singular verb its singular.
Note vs 26 Elohym carries a plural verb. =Elohym [plural] said X. = The Trinity said X
Note vs 27 Elohym carries a singular verb. Elohym [singular] did X = Jesus created.
 
How does this relate to
Elohym is plural intensive - singular meaning.

When Elohym carries a plural verb its plural, when carries a singular verb its singular.
Note vs 26 Elohym carries a plural verb. =Elohym [plural] said X. = The Trinity said X
Note vs 27 Elohym carries a singular verb. Elohym [singular] did X = Jesus created.
Very simple. At vs 26 the plural form let us make or God and the Word would make man, then at vs 27 God created himself. Why do you keep talking about Jesus creating and he did not exist at the time of creation? About 2,000 years ago is when it is documented that Jesus came into existence.
 
Very simple. At vs 26 the plural form let us make or God and the Word would make man, then at vs 27 God created himself. Why do you keep talking about Jesus creating and he did not exist at the time of creation? About 2,000 years ago is when it is documented that Jesus came into existence.
Elohim is singular when it carries a singular verb. Plural when it carries a plural verb.
Vs 26 Elohim carries a plural verb, therefore is plural. God in plural form said X. That is the Trinity discussing amongst itself.
Vs 27 Elohim is singular.
Conclusion, one of the members of the trinity in verse 26, created in verse 27
 
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How does this relate to
Elohym is plural intensive - singular meaning.

When Elohym carries a plural verb its plural, when carries a singular verb its singular.
Note vs 26 Elohym carries a plural verb. =Elohym [plural] said X. = The Trinity said X
Note vs 27 Elohym carries a singular verb. Elohym [singular] did X = Jesus created.
Vs 26 has a plural verb because the word us is there. Otherwise there is only 1 God in vss 26 and 27 who says what is going to be done.
 
YHWH / Jesus Created Alone By Himself.


(Is 44:24) Thus says the Lord [YHWH], your Redeemer, And He who formed you from the womb: “I am the Lord [YHWH}, who makes all things, Who stretches out the heavens all alone, Who spreads abroad the earth by Myself;.

YHWH states that He exclusively, alone and without anyone else involved, brought about the physical and temporal. He alone is the cause that brought about the effect =all that exist.

Jn 1:3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.

Note the emphatic contrast in the statement.
“All” = exclusive, used to refer to the whole quantity, quantity of what = anything created.
“Nothing” exclusive, not anything; no single thing. Makes it clear if anything was created it was created by Jesus.


Seem to have a contradiction. Was it Jesus, or was it YHWH who created, exclusively, alone by Himself.


(Heb 1:8–10). But to the Son He says: “Your throne, O God [HO THEOS}, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom. 9 You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God [HO THEOS}, , Your God [HO THEOS}, has anointed You With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.” 10 And: “You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the work of Your hands.

The Father identifies Himself as God {HO THEOS] in vs 9.
The same Father who identified as [HO THEOS] in vs 9 addresses the Son as {HO THEOS} in vs 8 and 9.
The same Father who identified as [HO THEOS] in vs 9 addresses the Son as {HO THEOS} in vs 8 and 9 states in vs 10 that the temporal and physical coming into existence from nothing and by nothing was the works of Jesus’ hands.

Note: HO THEOS is the Greek equivalent of YHWH.


Premise 1= Isaiah 44:24 YHWH brought about creation alone, by Himself.
Premise 2= John 1:3 States that anything that was created was created exclusively by Jesus.
Premise 3 = Hebrews 1:8-10 The Father identifies Jesus as HO THEOS
Premise 4 = Hebrews 1:8-10 The Father states that creation was the direct result of Jesus’ ‘HANDS’.
Conclusion Jesus is YHWH along with the Father.
No it was made clear that since the life in the him was Jesus then the him (who the life was in) who is the creator can not be Jesus too.
 
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