Infidels, Take A Brief Peek Into The Devotional Life Of We Bible Believers.

[Eightcrackers]

After reading THOUSANDS of "Atheists" threads, I have come to
KNOW . . . for an absolute fact that, you (and all your little band) have
made up your minds BEFORE you read the presented "reasons to believe" that
you are going to declare them a FAIL.

You are the one who has made his mind up - that we have made our minds up.
After all, it is more comforting to accuse somebody that you failed to convince, that they never gave you a chance in the first place.

Chilidsh, but comforting.

If it helps you sleep at night, to blame us, go right ahead. We can't stop you.

 

[rossum]

N/T

 

[Tiburon]

I have two choices:
(1) I can tell you the truth
or
(2) I can "play along" with your incorrect presuppositions
(ie your incorrect assumptions you make before you type a single word.

I choose (1)

You are not an atheist. You KNOW there is a God.
Question: Do I know more about you than you know about you? YES I DO.
How so? Because you (like all humans that are not born again (John 3:3) are DEAD in sin
and therefore CANNOT know the truth.

How do I k now this?

Because the Bible the word of God says this is the truth.

  - There Is No Such Thing As An Atheist

My view is that all men KNOW there is a God that created them. I have strong Biblical reasons for believing this to be true. Here they are , , , Romans 1:19-20 Romans 1:19-20 says "since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation...

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Your fallen human nature is DEAD (spiritually DEAD and you cannot CANNOT understand the truth
until AFTER the Holy Spirit regenerates your now DEAD nature. AFTER that, you can then know and
understand the truth. Without that regeneration it is IMPOSSIBLE for you to know or understand
spiritual truths.

Read what Jesus said about that in John 3:3 He said you MUST be born again.
What does being "boen again" mean?
It means that your now fallen sinful DEAD human nature is MADE ALIVE by the supernatural power of the Holy Spirit
and NOW at last you CAN believe the gospel and be saved.

You need help (just as we all did).

You MUST have help in order to believe and your demand for empirical evidences will NOT give you this help.

You absolutely MUST have supernatural help in order to become a Christian.

How do you get this help?

It is amazingly simple.

You only have to sincerely ask God to help you believe.

Just ask . . . .

Pray this simple prayer from your heart and you will be changed forever.

"Dear Lord Jesus, I know that I am a sinner, and I ask for Your forgiveness.
I believe You died for my sins and rose from the dead. I turn from my
sins and invite You to come into my heart and life. I want to trust and
follow You as my Lord and Savior. In Your Name. Amen."

Christianity is a FAITH -- it is not an academic intellectual philosophical system:

- Christianity Is A FAITH And Not Based On Empiricism And Rationalism

JAG Writes: Christianity Is A Faith And Not An Intellectual Philosophical System Based Upon Rationalism And Empiricism. Start quote. "Henry Dodwell argues that matters of religious faith lie outside the determination of reason. God could not possibly have intended that reason should be the...

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"Have faith in God."__The Lord Jesus (Mark 11:22)

Best Regards,

JAG

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PS
Start a new life.
One where you can KNOW your sins are forgiven.
One where you can KNOW that you now have Eternal Life
and that when your physical body dies, the real YOU will
never die.


“Lord,” Martha said to Jesus, “if you had been here, my brother
would not have died.

But I know that even now God will give you whatever you ask.”

Jesus said to her, “Your brother will rise again.”

Martha answered, “I know he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day.”

Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The
one who believes in me will live, even though they die;
and whoever lives by believing in me will never die."

John chapter 11

1. You can tell me what you BELIEVE is the truth.

If you can show me that it is the truth then I will give it another look.
But don't presume to tell me that I KNOW there is a God.

How do you know the Bible is the truth? Because the Bible tells you it is? Wow, convincing.
If all you have are more Bible quotes and empty assertions , then you have nothing to offer that I haven't already heard and found wanting.

 

[JAG]

1. You can tell me what you BELIEVE is the truth.

If you can show me that it is the truth then I will give it another look.
But don't presume to tell me that I KNOW there is a God.

How do you know the Bible is the truth? Because the Bible tells you it is? Wow, convincing.
If all you have are more Bible quotes and empty assertions , then you have nothing to offer that I haven't already heard and found wanting.

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You NEVER will hear anything but what I offered you (in principle).

Why is that? Because what you demand does not exist.

Moreover YOU KNOW . . . VERY WELL . . that is does not exist.

So why do you keep demanding it?

Simple: You have a fallen sinful nature (like we all do) and you
therefore do NOT want God telling you what to do and what
not to do --and you know very well that there is NOT any empirical
evidence that can demonstrate the transcendent to be true.

So?

So as long as you keep playing your Impossible Game you will be
able to remain de facto your own god and you'll be "protected"
from the laws of the God of the Bible -- at least for the duration of
your relatively very short life span --

-- lets say you are now 65.

If so, and you live to be 90 --that means in a very short 300 months you
will meet the God who takes unforgiven sin DEADLY serious.

Jesus paid your sin debt for you.

If you never accept by faith what He did for you on the Cross than YOU will
pay your own sin debt. Remember if God did this ↑ to His son for you --just
think what this God is willing to DO TO YOU (you who are NOT one of His own
and you who rejects what His Son did for you on the Cross.)

God was not kidding around when He says you will in fact
experience John 3:16's perish or John 3:16's eternal life.

You will in fact get one or the other.

JAG

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[JAG]

You are the one who has made his mind up - that we have made our minds up.
After all, it is more comforting to accuse somebody that you failed to convince, that they never gave you a chance in the first place.

Chilidsh, but comforting.

If it helps you sleep at night, to blame us, go right ahead. We can't stop you.

"We" "Our" "We" -- they will not be there for you when your doctor
shakes his head and walks away-- and neither will anybody else be
there for you at that time --- but General DEATH will be there for you.

Which is why you need a Savior.

To save you from the angry claws of General DEATH.

“Lord,” Martha said to Jesus, “if you had been here,
my brother would not have died.

But I know that even now God will give you
whatever you ask.”

Jesus said to her, “Your brother will rise again.”

Martha answered, “I know he will rise again in the
resurrection at the last day.”

Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life.
The one who believes in me will live, even though
they die; and whoever lives by believing in me
will never die."


JAG

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[Eightcrackers]

We" "Our" "We" -- they will not be there for you when your doctor
shakes his head and walks away-- and neither will anybody else be
there for you at that time --- but General DEATH will be there for you.

Which is why you need a Savior.

To save you from the angry claws of General DEATH.

Why do you keep telling me what you believe, without making any move to convince me that it is true?

Do you believe that you are accomplishing anything?
If so, what?

 

[The Pixie]

This is what God chose would happen to God to pay the debt that God decided he owed to God.

How does it compare to the billions God chooses to punish in hell? Jesus on the cross a few hours as part of his own plan, the non-believe being tortured by God for eternity.

It is a gruesome picture, but it is as nothing to the suffering God chooses to inflict.

 

[Tiburon]

`

You NEVER will hear anything but what I offered you (in principle).

Why is that? Because what you demand does not exist.

Moreover YOU KNOW . . . VERY WELL . . that is does not exist.

So why do you keep demanding it?

Simple: You have a fallen sinful nature (like we all do) and you
therefore do NOT want God telling you what to do and what
not to do --and you know very well that there is NOT any empirical
evidence that can demonstrate the transcendent to be true.

So?

So as long as you keep playing your Impossible Game you will be
able to remain de facto your own god and you'll be "protected"
from the laws of the God of the Bible -- at least for the duration of
your relatively very short life span --

-- lets say you are now 65.

If so, and you live to be 90 --that means in a very short 300 months you
will meet the God who takes unforgiven sin DEADLY serious.

Jesus paid your sin debt for you.

If you never accept by faith what He did for you on the Cross than YOU will
pay your own sin debt. Remember if God did this ↑ to His son for you --just
think what this God is willing to DO TO YOU (you who are NOT one of His own
and you who rejects what His Son did for you on the Cross.)

God was not kidding around when He says you will in fact
experience John 3:16's perish or John 3:16's eternal life.

You will in fact get one or the other.

JAG

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Unless you can prove the Bible to be the "word of God", I see no reason to give it any more credence than any other book.
Why do you give it credence? Why do you believe?

 

[JAG]

This is what God chose would happen to God to pay the debt that God decided he owed to God.

How does it compare to the billions God chooses to punish in hell? Jesus on the cross a few hours as part of his own plan, the non-believe being tortured by God for eternity.

It is a gruesome picture, but it is as nothing to the suffering God chooses to inflict.

You're a seeker. You like to learn.
You will be surprised.

Let me know what you think?

JAG

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[JAG]

Unless you can prove the Bible to be the "word of God", I see no reason to give it any more credence than any other book.
Why do you give it credence? Why do you believe?

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You cannot come to believe on the Lord Jesus as your Savior
through seeing empirical evidences.

Why not?

Because that would destroy faith and wreck Christianity.

"Without faith it is IMPOSSIBLE to please God." Hebrews 11:6

You must come to the God that created you on His terms and
not on your terms.

What are His terms?

Answer: Faith.
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"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son,
that whosoever believes in him should not perish, but
have everlasting life."
John 3:16
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What are your terms? "I must have empirical evidence before I will believe."

Why is that a problem for your relationship with God?

Answer: The problem is that YOU a mere man are telling your Creator that
He MUST NOT do it His way, but He MUST do it YOUR WAY.

By the way, if He agreed to de facto allow you to be God on this point, you
WOULD LOSE RESPECT for Him.

Then why would you want anything to do with a "God" that would not stand
by His own laws and rules?

Then this question:

Who do you think you are? To be demanding that the God that created Andromeda
do it YOUR way. You are a mere man. And a mere man that is going to relatively
soon lie rotting in the dirt (unless you are cremated).

All we humans ought to know our place.

We are NOT God.

And if you are not God, then why do you feel you have the right to announce
to God that He MUST do it YOUR WAY!

The Lord Jesus said, "Have faith in God." (Mark 11:22) but you say NO NO NO.

God says "Without faith it is impossible to please God". But you say NO NO NO,
I MUST have empirical evidence before I will believe.

Consider not doing that. Think about all the things in this life that you find beautiful
and enjoyable. Don't give them up. Encourage yourself to love living life FOREVER.

Forever and ever continuing to enjoy the lovely and beautiful and interesting things.

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“Lord,” Martha said to Jesus, “if you had been here, my
brother would not have died.

But I know that even now God will give you whatever you ask.”

Jesus said to her, “Your brother will rise again.”

Martha answered, “I know he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day.”

Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life.
The one who believes in me will live, even though they
die; and whoever lives by believing in me will never die."
John chapter 11
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Best

JAG

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@The Pixie

 

[Tiburon]

``
You cannot come to believe on the Lord Jesus as your Savior
through seeing empirical evidences.

Why not?

Because that would destroy faith and wreck Christianity.

"Without faith it is IMPOSSIBLE to please God." Hebrews 11:6

You must come to the God that created you on His terms and
not on your terms.

What are His terms?

Answer: Faith.

No, humans came up with those terms to explain why they can't provide empirical evidences for their God.
What do you base you faith upon? Nothing?

What are your terms? "I must have empirical evidence before I will believe."

Why is that a problem for your relationship with God?

Answer: The problem is that YOU a mere man are telling your Creator that
He MUST NOT do it His way, but He MUST do it YOUR WAY.

By the way, if He agreed to de facto allow you to be God on this point, you
WOULD LOSE RESPECT for Him.

Then why would you want anything to do with a "God" that would not stand
by His own laws and rules?

Then this question:

Who do you think you are? To be demanding that the God that created Andromeda
do it YOUR way. You are a mere man. And a mere man that is going to relatively
soon lie rotting in the dirt (unless you are cremated).

All we humans ought to know our place.

According to Christians, God wants us to know him. If that is so then he should be willing to provide what we need in order to know him.
God hasn't provided me with that in the form of empirical evidence or non-empirical evidence.

Matthew 7:7-8
New International Version

7 “Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 8 For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.

It doesn't say Ask and it will be given to you unless what you ask for is proof.
What convinced you that God was real?

 

[JAG]

No, humans came up with those terms to explain why they can't provide empirical evidences for their God.
What do you base you faith upon? Nothing?



According to Christians, God wants us to know him. If that is so then he should be willing to provide what we need in order to know him.
God hasn't provided me with that in the form of empirical evidence or non-empirical evidence.

Matthew 7:7-8
New International Version

7 “Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 8 For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.

It doesn't say Ask and it will be given to you unless what you ask for is proof.
What convinced you that God was real?

"whoever belongs to God hears what God says. The
reason you do not hear is that you do not belong
to God." __The Lord Jesus
John: 8:47

JAG

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[rossum]

"whoever belongs to God hears what God says. The
reason you do not hear is that you do not belong
to God." __The Lord Jesus
John: 8:47

Which raises a question. Those of us who do not "belong to God" can never hear what God says. If we cannot hear what God says, then how are we ever to know what He says? How can we move from not belonging to belonging? All we can hear are many different Christians from different denominations telling us different things.

 

[Furion]

Those of us who do not "belong to God" can never hear what God says..

A church service could remedy that a little. Reading the bible gets you there. Glad to help..

 

[rossum]

A church service could remedy that a little. Reading the bible gets you there. Glad to help..

Which Church? There are so many to pick from? A Catholic Church will tell me to follow one set of rules, a Lutheran Church will tell me to follow a different set. And all churches will claim that their rules come from the Bible, as correctly interpreted by that specific Church.

Unless God speaks to me to tell me which (if any) church to follow, I am at a loss. And apparently I cannot hear Him even if He does decide to talk to me.

 

[Furion]

Which Church? There are so many to pick from? A Catholic Church will tell me to follow one set of rules, a Lutheran Church will tell me to follow a different set. And all churches will claim that their rules come from the Bible, as correctly interpreted by that specific Church.

Unless God speaks to me to tell me which (if any) church to follow, I am at a loss. And apparently I cannot hear Him even if He does decide to talk to me.

You don't have to follow any church silly.

I will leave you at your loss because year's of explaining certainly doesn't do anything.

 

[rossum]

You don't have to follow any church silly.

You were the one who suggested I go to a church service, remember? See your post #74.

What is the point of going to a church service if I don't listen to that is being said?

 

[Furion]

You were the one who suggested I go to a church service, remember? See your post #74.

I see that triggered you into a bowl of jello, vacillating on what to do.

Which is why I also told you to read it for yourself. You can read, right? Not blind or anything?

What is the point of going to a church service if I don't listen to that is being said?

You will need to read the bible to find your answer why you should fellowship with the brethren.

They can help you read, for instance.

 

[rossum]

You will need to read the bible

I have. It is a mish-mash of good stuff; 'You shall not kill', bad stuff; 'Kill all the women who have slept with a man'; history, myth, propaganda, stories etc.

It is incoherent without an accepted interpretation, of which there are as many as there are different Christian denominations. Is the Sabbath on a Saturday, as the SDAs tell me? Is it on a Sunday as the Catholic Church tells me? Both can provide Bible quotes to support their position.

 

[Furion]

I have. It is a mish-mash of good stuff; 'You shall not kill', bad stuff; 'Kill all the women who have slept with a man'; history, myth, propaganda, stories etc.

It is incoherent without an accepted interpretation, of which there are as many as there are different Christian denominations. Is the Sabbath on a Saturday, as the SDAs tell me? Is it on a Sunday as the Catholic Church tells me? Both can provide Bible quotes to support their position.

You've now read what God says, congratulations.

There most certainly is a test. everyone is graded on what they know and their fidelity to it.