The Alpha and Omega- God

Yahchristian said:
It has been a TRINITARIAN term for over 1,600 years so I would have thought you knew what it means.

It was Augustine who said “The Father is the Principle of the whole Deity.”

I define “the principle of Divinity” as “the primary source of Divinity”. (Dictionary definition 2)
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There is no primary source. Do you know what Co-Equal and Co- Eternal means ?

God is the source and God is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit who share the exact same Divine Attributes of the Godhead.

All the questions and objections in the world you can conjure up will never change those facts.

hope this helps !!!
 
Newbirth said:
where is the verse that says "Jesus is God" when your signature line says Jesus is the son of God?
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I see nowhere does the Father ever say:

I am God.

thanks for admitting you cannot find what you demand of the Son and apply it to the Father.

many more fallacious arguments from the peanut gallery?
 
civic said:
I see nowhere does the Father ever say:

I am God.

thanks for admitting you cannot find what you demand of the Son and apply it to the Father.

many more fallacious arguments from the peanut gallery?
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He is not asking that you show him a verse where Jesus says "I am God," but a place where the bible says Jesus is God.

No one can deny that the following calls the Father the only true God:

After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
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John 17:1-3

Do you have anything irrefutable like the above for your assertion that Jesus also is the only true God ?
 
The Real John Milton said:
He is not asking that you show him a verse where Jesus says "I am God," but a place where the bible says Jesus is God.

No one can deny that the following calls the Father the only true God:



John 17:1-3

Do you have anything irrefutable like the above for your assertion that Jesus also is the only true God ?
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I’m so Sorry that you cannot find any verse where the Father says: I am God.

hope this helps !!!
 
civic said:
I’m so Sorry that you cannot find any verse where the Father says: I am God.

hope this helps !!!
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Genesis 46:3
And he said, I am God, the God of thy father: fear not to go down into Egypt; for I will there make of thee a great nation:
 
civic said:
I’m so Sorry that you cannot find any verse where the Father says: I am God.
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You are foolishly mistaken. He does this in several places. Here is just one for you to deny as you usually do:

And behold, I am sending forth the promise of my Father upon you but you are to stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high.”
Luke 24:49

Gathering them together, he commanded them not to leave Jerusalem, but to wait for what the Father had promised, “Which,” He said, “you heard of from me for John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now... you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you
Acts 1:4-8

Thus you will know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the LORD your God, and there is no one else and My people will never be put to shame. It will come about after this that I will pour out My Spirit on all flesh......
Joel 2:27-28

Any bird brain can see that Jesus informs us that it was the Father who made the promise at Joel 2:27-28, the Father who said, "I am the LORD your God."

But you refuse to believe Jesus and you refuse to believe his God.
 
Our Lord's God said:
You are foolishly mistaken. He does this in several places. Here is just one for you to deny as you usually do:

And behold, I am sending forth the promise of my Father upon you but you are to stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high.”
Luke 24:49

Gathering them together, he commanded them not to leave Jerusalem, but to wait for what the Father had promised, “Which,” He said, “you heard of from me for John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now... you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you
Acts 1:4-8

Thus you will know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the LORD your God, and there is no one else and My people will never be put to shame. It will come about after this that I will pour out My Spirit on all flesh......
Joel 2:27-28

Any bird brain can see that Jesus informs us that it was the Father who made the promise at Joel 2:27-28, the Father who said, "I am the LORD your God."

But you refuse to believe Jesus and you refuse to believe his God.
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Like I said the Father did not say it , thx anyways.
 
civic said:
Like I said the Father did not say it , thx anyways.
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It was so predictable that you would deny the Scriptural facts once again like you always do when Scripture does not suit you. The stench of your rotten fruit precedes you. You don't have an honest bone in your body.

Jesus told us all plainly the Father said it and you shamelessly deny him.

You couldn't care less about what Jesus says about anything.
 
Our Lord's God said:
It was so predictable that you would deny the Scriptural facts once again like you always do when Scripture does not suit you. The stench of your rotten fruit precedes you. You don't have an honest bone in your body.

Jesus told us all plainly the Father said it but you shamelessly deny him.

But you couldn't care less about what Jesus says about anything.
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Read it again the Father did not say “ I Am God”

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FYI Joel 2 is the Son identified as YHWH in the NT by Paul quoting it in Romans 10:13.

Joel 2:27-32
27 "Thus you will know that I am in the midst of Israel,
And that I am the LORD your God,
And there is no other;
And My people will never be put to shame.
28 " It will come about after this
That I will pour out My Spirit on all mankind;
And your sons and daughters will prophesy,
Your old men will dream dreams,
Your young men will see visions.
29 "Even on the male and female servants
I will pour out My Spirit in those days.
30 "I will display wonders in the sky and on the earth,
Blood, fire and columns of smoke.
31 "The sun will be turned into darkness
And the moon into blood
Before the great and awesome day of the LORD comes.
32 "And it will come about that whoever calls on the name of the LORD
Will be delivered;
For on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem
There will be those who escape,
As the LORD has said,
Even among the survivors whom the LORD calls.


Rom 10:9-13
9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, "WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED." 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; 13 for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."


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civic said:
I’m so Sorry that you cannot find any verse where the Father says: I am God.

hope this helps !!!
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Genesis 17:1
And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the Lord appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.

He is also Jesus' God..
Psalm 22:1
My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?
Matthew 27:46
And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
 
Newbirth said:
Genesis 17:1
And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the Lord appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.

He is also Jesus' God..
Psalm 22:1
My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?
Matthew 27:46
And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
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Excuse me Newbirth, how can God appear to Abraham claiming He will multiply Abraham's seed when God the Father cannot be seen? The Apostle John said it at John 4:24. Jesus said it at John 5:37 and John 6:46. So who appeared to Abraham?

IN HIM,
james
 
jamesh said:
Excuse me Newbirth, how can God appear to Abraham claiming He will multiply Abraham's seed when God the Father cannot be seen? The Apostle John said it at John 4:24. Jesus said it at John 5:37 and John 6:46. So who appeared to Abraham?

IN HIM,
james
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How did God appear to Moses? Are you saying that God did not appear to Abraham? You lack understanding...John did not say God cannot be seen. The scripture says no man has seen God, Which would be in the context of God being a spirit. If God can appear as a burning bush why can he not appear as a human?
 
Newbirth said:
How did God appear to Moses? Are you saying that God did not appear to Abraham? You lack understanding...John did not say God cannot be seen. The scripture says no man has seen God, Which would be in the context of God being a spirit. If God can appear as a burning bush why can he not appear as a human?
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Well Exodus 3:2 says, "And the angel of the Lord appeared to him/Moses in a blazing fire from the midst of a bush; and he looked and behold, the bush was burning with fire, yet the bush was not consumed." Verse 4 says, "When the Lord saw that he turned aside to look, God called to him from the midst of the bush , and said, Moses, Moses, And he said, Here I am." So are you saying an angel is God?

IN HIM,
james
 
Newbirth said:
where is the verse that says "Jesus is God" when your signature line says Jesus is the son of God?
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There is one God! The Son is called/referred to as God, in scripture, but the Son is not the Father or the Holy Spirit. Thirty six (36) scripture which address or refer to Jesus as God,
Matt 1:23, Isa 9:6, Luke 7:16, John 1:1, 3, 4, 10, 14, 18, 10:33, 5:18,8: 58, 12;24, 14:9, 17:5, 10, 20:28, Act 20:28, Rom 9:5, 2 Cor 4:4, Col 1:14-16, 2:9, Eph 3:9, Heb 1:1:2-3, 8-12, 3:3, Phi 2:6, 1 Tim 1:1, 3:16, 6:15, Tit 2;13, 2 Pet 1:1, 1 John 5:20, Rev 17:14, 19;16, 22:12-13

[1] Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
[2] Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
[3]Luk 7:16 And there came a fear on all: and they glorified God, saying, That a great prophet is risen up among us; and, That God hath visited his people.
[4] Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[5] Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
[6] Joh 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him[God created the world, Gen 1:1][/color], and the world knew him not.
[7] Joh 1:14 And the Word [acting on Himself] became flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
[8] Joh 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten God, [μονογενὴς θεὸς ] which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
[9] John 10:30 I and my Father are one.
[10] Joh 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. [Jewish leaders speaking]
[11] Joh 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.[John speaking]
[12] Joh 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, before Abraham was, I am [ אהיה/ehyeh, I am, Ex 3:14].
[13] John 12:41 These things said Esaias, when he saw his [Jesus] glory, and spake of him[יהוה/YHWH, Isa 6:1ff].
Isa 6:1 In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple​
[14] Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
[15] Joh 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was[Jesus was aware of His existence before the world was created.].
[16] Joh 17:10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine[Everything that belongs to the Father belongs to Jesus]; and I am glorified in them. {Everything excluding nothing!]
[17] Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, [Jesus] My Lord and my God. [Thomas addressed Jesus as God and Jesus praised him.]
[18] Act 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

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[19] Rom 9:5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever[Jesus called God]. Amen.
[20] 2 Cor 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
[21] Col 1:14 In whom [Christ vs. 8] we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him and for him:
[22] Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
[23] Eph 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
[24] Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
[25] Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever[God calls the Son, God]: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;
12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.
[26] Heb 3:3 For this man was counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as he who hath builded the house hath more honour than the house.
4 For every house is builded by some man; but he that built all things is God.
[27] Phi 2:6 Who, being [existing] in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
[28] 1 Tim 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh[Jesus called God], is justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
[29] 1 Tim 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and Lord Jesus Christ[Jesus called God], which is our hope;
[30] 1 Tim 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;[The lamb is king of kings, Rev 17:14, Jesus is king of kings, Rev 19:16, God is Lord of Lords Deu 10:17]
[31] Tit 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ[Jesus called God];
14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
[32] 2 Pet 1:1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ[Jesus called God]:
[33] 1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life[Jesus called God].
[34] Rev 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings[יהוה/YHWH, Deu 10:17]: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
[35] Rev 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS[יהוה/YHWH, Deu 10:17].
[36] Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be[יהוה/YHWH, Isa 40:10].
13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.[יהוה/YHWH, Isa 44:6]​
 
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