johnny guitar
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Since my God includes The Father then my God IS His God.
Although it never is explicitly stated except in some texual variations, I believe he did and let me give you seven reasons why.
1. A mere creation cannot have eternally co-existed with God.
2. A mere creation cannot have co-created the world.
3. A mere creation cannot be enough to atone for an infinite crime against holiness.
4. A mere creation cannot contain the principle of life itself inside it.
5. A mere creation cannot destroy the power of death itself.
6. A mere creation cannot receive worship from every created thing.
7. A mere creation cannot hold all authority in heaven and earth.
I believe we can find ample Scriptural evidence to support the above 7 points in both Paul and the rest of Scripture. Also when certain verses began to make me feel unsure of this, I have prayed about this directly to God for many years and received personal confirmation that this is the truth.
So the question may well then be asked, "Why isn't it stated more clearly?"
That's a good questions and I give a couple of reasons.
1. It is not a doctrine essential to salvation. It is very clear the 12 disciples during Christ's earthly minister did not at all fully realize who he was, and simply had a bare faith that he was a Savior, yet Jesus clearly says they were currently saved with their names written in heaven.
2. It is the "glory of kings to search out a matter" and all doctrine doesn't come by intellectually parsing the words of Scripture, but by direct revelation from God, as Jesus said "flesh and blood did not reveal this to you Peter."
In light of this, I invite you to continue on your journey with a sincere heart towards God and fervent prayer, and am confident that in the end, if we continue and do not quit with a true humble and teachable heart, the Spirit of God will always eventually get us to true beliefs.
God bless you!
I am NOT Jesus Christ, thus I need The Triune God.But there is only ONE God. And your God was/is not his God.
So then your "God" is a man made idol and you are an idolater.
This is Jesus -But there is only ONE God. And your God was/is not his God.
So then your "God" is a man made idol and you are an idolater.
Scriptures have never taught anything, like a triune god... there is no triune god in Heaven ... God has a flesh and blood SON named Yeshua who does not have the sin nature of mankind, which we all have as Adam proved to be imperfect and sinful.I am NOT Jesus Christ, thus I need The Triune God.
He did NOT.
God has a DIVINE Son who BECAME flesh and blood AS Jesus Christ.Scriptures have never taught anything, like a triune god... there is no triune god in Heaven ... God has a flesh and blood SON named Yeshua who does not have the sin nature of mankind, which we all have as Adam proved to be imperfect and sinful.
Gen 3:10 11 12, " who told you that you are naked ? "
Rev 12,,
Ro 3:
10 As the Tanakh puts it, "There is no one righteous, not even one! No one understands,
11 no one seeks God,
12 all have turned away and at the same time become useless; there is no one who shows kindness, not a single one!
13 "Their throats are open graves, they use their tongues to deceive. Vipers' venom is under their lips.
14 Their mouths are full of curses and bitterness.
15 "Their feet rush to shed blood,
16 in their ways are ruin and misery,
This is Jesus -
1¶In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
So the WORD is an idol to you.
5And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
You can't comprehend.
Jesus is God's Son.So then you insist upon having a God which is not the Lord's God?
The Lord IS God.So then you insist upon having a God which is not the Lord's God?
Amen! Matthew 1: we do not have to guess nor speculate it is right there in Gods Own Word..God has a DIVINE Son who BECAME flesh and blood AS Jesus Christ.
Yes, how ever the definition is found in both Matthew 1 from verse 18 and also Isa 46:God has a DIVINE Son who BECAME flesh and blood AS Jesus Christ.
well yes, in a way even, though He died for us mortals and He died as a human being so that we could be saved from eternal death/separation from our God..God has a DIVINE Son who BECAME flesh and blood AS Jesus Christ.
Anti-Trinitarians endlessly squabble and bicker about words, used by Trinitarians, trying to express the nature of God, as revealed in scripture, e.g. Trinity,””triune,””person,""being,""entity,""substance,""essence,"”nature,””who," Hypostatic union," etc., etc., All words are inherently finite and imperfect, therefore these words, and/or any other words, are totally inadequate to describe God, the infinite, perfect, omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent. But the fact that human words are finite, limited and imperfect does not prove or disprove anything about the doctrine of the Trinity.Scriptures have never taught anything, like a triune god... there is no triune god in Heaven ... God has a flesh and blood SON named Yeshua who does not have the sin nature of mankind, which we all have as Adam proved to be imperfect and sinful.
Gen 3:10 11 12, " who told you that you are naked ? "
Rev 12,,
Ro 3:
10 As the Tanakh puts it, "There is no one righteous, not even one! No one understands,
11 no one seeks God,
12 all have turned away and at the same time become useless; there is no one who shows kindness, not a single one!
13 "Their throats are open graves, they use their tongues to deceive. Vipers' venom is under their lips.
14 Their mouths are full of curses and bitterness.
15 "Their feet rush to shed blood,
16 in their ways are ruin and misery,
A mere human being could not save anyone from eternal punishment [see Matt 25:46]well yes, in a way even, though He died for us mortals and He died as a human being so that we could be saved from eternal death/separation from our God..
Well He did, He suffered for our healing and died in our stated no matter how YOU look at it. Romans 5:9+A mere human being could not save anyone from eternal punishment [see Matt 25:46]
Psalms 49:7-97 (49:8) No man can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him -8 (49:9) For too costly is the redemption of their soul, and must be let alone for ever -9 (49:10) That he should still live alway, that he should not see the pit.This verse is from the 1917 Jewish Publication Society translation of the OT.
why are you trying to have me UNSAVED ? Seriously ??? OT is for Israel ONLY, hint US believers in the One True Messiah were not around then, He had not suffered and not died and not risen from the Dead then. How ever He was foretold many times IN the OT to Israel..Anti-Trinitarians endlessly squabble and bicker about words, used by Trinitarians, trying to express the nature of God, as revealed in scripture, e.g. Trinity,””triune,””person,""being,""entity,""substance,""essence,"”nature,””who," Hypostatic union," etc., etc., All words are inherently finite and imperfect, therefore these words, and/or any other words, are totally inadequate to describe God, the infinite, perfect, omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent. But the fact that human words are finite, limited and imperfect does not prove or disprove anything about the doctrine of the Trinity.
Here yet again scriptural truths I have posted before, without any so-called unscriptural words or man made doctrines.
1. There is one God! The Father is called/referred to as God, in scripture, but the Father is not the Son or the Spirit. Numerous vss. e.g., John 6:27, Gal 1:1, Gal 1:3, Eph 6:23, Philippians 2:11, 1 Thess 1:1, 2 Tim 1:2, Titus 1:4, 1 Peter 1:2, 2 Peter 1:17 et. al.
2. There is one God! The Son is called/referred to as God, in scripture, but the Son is not the Father or the Holy Spirit. Thirty six (36) scripture which address or refer to Jesus as God.
[1] Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.[2]Isaiah 7:1414 Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.
[3]Luk 7:16 And there came a fear on all: and they glorified God, saying, That a great prophet is risen up among us; and, That God hath visited his people.[4] Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.[5] Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.[6] Joh 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him[God created the world, Gen 1:1], and the world knew him not.[7] Joh 1:14 And the Word [acting on Himself] became flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.[8] Joh 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten God, μονογενὴς θεὸς ] which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.[9] John 10:30 I and my Father are one.[10] Joh 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. [Jewish leaders speaking][11] Joh 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.[John speaking][12] Joh 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, [Amen, Amen] I say unto you, before Abraham was, I am [ אהיה/ehyeh, I am, Ex 3:14].[13] John 12:41 These things said Esaias, when he saw his [Jesus] glory, and spake of him[יהוה/YHWH, Isa 6:1ff].Isa 6:1 In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple
[14] Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?[15] Joh 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was[Jesus was aware of His existence,with God, before the world was created.].[16] Joh 17:10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine[Everything that belongs to the Father belongs to Jesus]; and I am glorified in them.[17] Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, [Jesus] My Lord and my God. [Thomas addressed Jesus as God and Jesus praised him.][18] Act 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.[Character limit. Continued next post]
How many times is the OT quoted in the NT as binding on Christians?Well He did, He suffered for our healing and died in our stated no matter how YOU look at it. Romans 5:9+
We also have to confess Him verbally as Lord and Messiah publicly and or to out congregation at some time also in Romans.
HELLO!!! WE ARE NOW IN THE NT SINCE HIS CONCEPTION AND BIRTH... Why quote passage intended to Israel alone and then use them to us Messianic believers ? Romans 10:9+