organgrinder
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Two Mormons on this site have been asked to explain exactly what the Gospel is. No answer yet. Any other Mormons out there who can answer?
Merry Christmas, Organ.Two Mormons on this site have been asked to explain exactly what the Gospel is. No answer yet. Any other Mormons out there who can answer?
Romans 6:22---King James Version
22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
1 Corinthians 15
1: Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
The Bible teaches the Gospel is what Jesus has done for us.
The Mormon interpretation of the Gospel is what we can do.
1) Is "being made free" in the active voice, or the passive voice?
2) Who is the "ye" who have "be[en] made free"?
3) Who is the agent who "made them free"?
4) Does verse 17 help to inform you of the answers to these questions?
Romans 6:17-18---King James Version
17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
That still connects works with His grace.
Was this the form of doctrine which was delivered--which delivered man from sin--through His Blood?
Acts 2:38---King James Version
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 22:12-16---King James Version
12 And one Ananias, a devout man according to the law, having a good report of all the Jews which dwelt there,
13 Came unto me, and stood, and said unto me, Brother Saul, receive thy sight. And the same hour I looked up upon him.
14 And he said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth.
15 For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard.
16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
You have given no answer that means anything. A Unitarian Universalist who believes anything and everything leads to eternal life could state the same thing. I want to know what the Gospel is. When you 17-year-old "elders" come knocking on my door, what will they say the Gospel is? Any truth that leads to eternal life? If so, there is no point sending out those barely-able to shave teenagers. Yours is a generic and pathetic answer.Merry Christmas, Organ.
I have been asked twice--and I gave the answer twice: IE--
any truth which pertains to eternal life.
Such as:
Romans 6:22---King James Version
22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
Ah, yes, baptism. The LDS downfall.27 Which gospel is the gospel of repentance and of baptism, and the remission of sins, and the law of carnal commandments,
You have given no answer that means anything.
A Unitarian Universalist who believes anything and everything leads to eternal life could state the same thing.
I want to know what the Gospel is.
When you 17-year-old "elders" come knocking on my door, what will they say the Gospel is?
Any truth that leads to eternal life? If so, there is no point sending out those barely-able to shave teenagers. Yours is a generic and pathetic answer.
I am persuaded, you simply do not know the answer.
...and you MUST be baptized according to LDS doctrine.You will have to ask them--everyone might be a little different on how they answer that question. One thing for sure--I believe all Christians can agree eternal life is because of Jesus Christ.
Ah, yes, baptism. The LDS downfall.
Seems like the LDS corners the market and is the only people who can administer baptism.
WRONG...that's not what your LDS doctrine says.Anyone can administer baptism
...and you MUST be baptized according to LDS doctrine.
Yes. As long as she is a believer.If you lived in the NT first century--and Paul approached you, taught you the gospel, and invited you to be baptized--and you refused, stating you would just get your mother to baptize you--would that be an authoritative baptism?
Go read THE LDS DOCTRINE..I copied and pasted from the LDS site.Yes. As long as she is a believer.
As a mormon you would have to agree with your LDS doctrine...but you are contradicting it.
dberrie2020 said: Anyone can administer baptism
WRONG...that's not what your LDS doctrine says.
dberrie "If you lived in the NT first century--and Paul approached you, taught you the gospel, and invited you to be baptized--and you refused, stating you would just get your mother to baptize you--would that be an authoritative baptism?"
CrowCross said: Yes. As long as she is a believer.
So in short, you can't give me a succinct answer to what should be an easy question. It apparently is complicated-- very complicated. But the bottom line is as a Mormon you can't give me an answer that is clear and straightforward. So if your Gospel is so complicated and obtuse, why would anybody want it?It means something for me--and that is who you asked the question of. I'm not asking you to hitch to my wagon--but if you ask for my wheels--then that's what you will get. That's how country boys roll.
Maybe--but you didn't ask a Universalist, nor someone who believes anything and everything leads to eternal life--you asked me. I answered the best I could.
And--if you are inquiring of me--I have already responded to that question three times--it's the truths which are associated with eternal life.
I'm not sure there is any end to those truths, in mortality.
You will have to ask them--everyone might be a little different on how they answer that question. One thing for sure--I believe all Christians can agree eternal life is because of Jesus Christ.
I do not know all things--but I do know what God has revealed:
Acts 2:38---King James Version
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Then you won't mind giving us the scripture where women specifically baptized in the NT church?