Are truth and logic absolute?If the truth, logic and reality always existed, because it is a violation of the Law of Non-Contradiction to suggest otherwise, then how or where could or can the truth, logic and reality have always been known to exist?
If the truth, logic and reality always existed, because it is a violation of the Law of Non-Contradiction to suggest otherwise, then how or where could or can the truth, logic and reality have always been known to exist?
YesAre truth and logic absolute?
Non Sequitur, as how do you know the "laws of logic" are "necessary truths", if YOU cannot even know them without a belief in their reality? Remember belief is necessary in order to make all truth known to us, including the "laws of logic", "necessary truths" and logical absolutes.Necessary truths, such as the laws of logic, don't need to be known in order to be what they are.
Your strawman "would make them contingent".That would make them contingent, perhaps even subjective. Minds don't invent them, they discover them.
How do you know "MIPUST" is reality, when you do not and cannot know anything about the truth and reality without a believing mind?MIPUST
I use my mind to know that MIPUST is a reality. Have you tried using your mind to do the same?How do you know "MIPUST" is reality, when you do not and cannot know anything about the truth and reality without a believing mind?
these laws like the truth and reality itself are the product of God's mind
What "would make them contingent, not necessary; conditional, not absolute"?That would make them contingent, not necessary; conditional, not absolute.
No, it's just that you don't have what it takes to face the truth and reality. Stop your strawmanning and deal with what's being said to you, instead of pretending I "don't understand what these words mean" you bluff.It's like you don't understand what these words mean and are just making popcorn strings with them.
huh, so "MIPUST" is dependent on a believing mind in order to exist in reality? I thought you said that YOUR "MIPUST" wasn't mind dependent for its existence?I use my mind to know that MIPUST is a reality.
Why don't you try something other than your unbelief in order to make the truth and reality known to you silly.Have you tried using your mind to do the same?
What "would make them contingent, not necessary; conditional, not absolute"?
Nope. Not what I said at all. Try again.huh, so "MIPUST" is dependent on a believing mind in order to exist in reality?
Well you know it is a little hard to put your finger on things that are said to not depend on a mind for their existence. Maybe you should read up on the latest QM experimenting, because everything in QM indicates that a mind (observer or measurer) is necessary for wave collapse function to occur.Nope. Not what I said at all. Try again.
Have you ever seen or heard of a being without a believing mind? If so, then please say what it is and how it functions without a believing mind.Being dependent on, conditioned by and contingent upon a mind.
did someone else just take the wheel hereWell you know it is a little hard to put your finger on things that are said to not depend on a mind for their existence. Maybe you should read up on the latest QM experimenting, because everything in QM indicates that a mind (observer or measurer) is necessary for wave collapse function to occur.
No it doesn't. And you're trying to change the subject. MIPUST is still the answer to your OP question.Well you know it is a little hard to put your finger on things that are said to not depend on a mind for their existence. Maybe you should read up on the latest QM experimenting, because everything in QM indicates that a mind (observer or measurer) is necessary for wave collapse function to occur.
Then they would pertain no matter the worldview, else they wouldn't be absolute. Including one without God.
Evasion.No it doesn't. And you're trying to change the subject. MIPUST is still the answer to your OP question.
But then God being omniscient would be an observer of all the atoms and electrons in the universe, meaning all the wave functions would have collapsed already, which we know they haven't.Well you know it is a little hard to put your finger on things that are said to not depend on a mind for their existence. Maybe you should read up on the latest QM experimenting, because everything in QM indicates that a mind (observer or measurer) is necessary for wave collapse function to occur.
If absolutes exist in reality or are the product of reality, then they too require and imply some means or place in order to be known to exist. And the only way and place I know of that does and can fulfill this capacity is a believing mind.Then they would pertain no matter the worldview, else they wouldn't be absolute. Including one without God.