Towerwatchman
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That would work if you keep those verses in isolation, but against the backdrop of scripture, your theory fails. Take Heb 1:2, Jesus is 'upholding all things by the word of His power when He purged sin." According to you, Jesus was just a mere man when He purged our sins. How do you reconcile identifying Jesus as a mere man against the fact that Jesus was sustaining the universe, at that moment, by the power of the word?
You did not address my post. 'parallel in thought' or personification of God's plan' is abstract.
My apologies that the question was incomplete. Do you believe that Jesus existed as a cognitive, free-willed, conscious, independent, and separate from God or the Father before the incarnation?
I am discussing 'only begotten' vs 'begot'
Repost.
only-begotten translates from.
Μονογενής “only begotten” denotes the special relationship between parent and offspring {human} and is also used to note the special relationship between The Father and The Son. Has nothing to do with procreating. Note the following where it is used to denote relationship and not “begot” = “giving birth to”.
Lk 7:12 And when He came near the gate of the city, behold, a dead man was being carried out, the only son of his mother; and she was a widow. And a large crowd from the city was with her.
Luke 7:12 ὡς δὲ ἤγγισεν τῇ πύλῃ τῆς πόλεως, καὶ ἰδοὺ ἐξεκομίζετο τεθνηκὼς μονογενὴς υἱὸς τῇ μητρὶ αὐτοῦ καὶ αὐτὴ ἦν χήρα, καὶ ὄχλος τῆς πόλεως ἱκανὸς ἦν σὺν αὐτῇ.
μονογενὴς υἱὸς τῇ μητρὶ = Only begotten son to the mother of him.
Lk 8:42 for he had an only daughter about twelve years of age, and she was dying...
Lk 8:42 ὅτι θυγάτηρ μονογενὴς ἦν αὐτῷ ὡς ἐτῶν δώδεκα καὶ αὐτὴ ἀπέθνῃσκεν. Ἐν δὲ τῷ ὑπάγειν αὐτὸν οἱ ὄχλοι συνέπνιγον αὐτόν
ὅτι θυγάτηρ μονογενὴς ἦν αὐτῷ = Because daughter only born was to him
Lk 9:38 Suddenly a man from the multitude cried out, saying, “Teacher, I implore You, look on my son, for he is my only child.
Luke 9:38 καὶ ἰδοὺ ἀνὴρ ἀπὸ τοῦ ὄχλου ἐβόησεν λέγων· διδάσκαλε, δέομαί σου ἐπιβλέψαι ἐπὶ τὸν υἱόν μου, ὅτι μονογενής μοί ἐστιν,
ὅτι μονογενής μοί ἐστιν, = Because only born to me he is.
And here is the kicker.
Heb 11:17 By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac, and he who had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,
Most know that Abraham fathered Ismael and Isaac, but he also fathered six other sons evident by the following verses.
Ge 25:1-2Abraham again took a wife, and her name was Keturah. 2 And she bore him Zimran, Jokshan, Medan, Midian, Ishbak, and Shuah.
1 Ch 1:32 Now the sons born to Keturah, Abraham’s concubine, were Zimran, Jokshan, Medan, Midian, Ishbak, and Shuah…
We conclude from scripture that Abraham had eight sons, therefore one has to ask why did the author of Hebrews identify Isaac as Abraham's only begotten son if the meaning of begotten is to conceive or father children? John’s word marks the relation to the Father as unique, stating the fact in itself. Μονογενής ‘only begotten’ distinguishes between Christ as the only Son, and the many children (τέκνα) of God; and further, in that the only Son did not ‘become’ (γενέσθαι) such by receiving power, by adoption, or by moral generation, but ‘was’ (ἦν) such in the beginning with God.
The confusion lies in the translation, where the translated words are so similar that one naturally assumes that it is the same word in different forms.
γεννάω [gennao] translates as “begat” 49 times, “be born” 39 times, “bear” twice, “gender” twice, “bring forth” once, “be delivered” once, and translated miscellaneously three times. 1 of men who fathered children. 1a to be born. 1b to be begotten. 1b1 of women giving birth to children. {Strong, James: The Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible}
“Gennao” is translated as “begot” in the opening of Matthew where the lineage of Jesus through Joseph is recorded.
The fallacy of Anonymous Authority.
“When unspecified sources use as evidence for the claim. This is commonly indicated by the phrases such as “they said, that it has been said, I heard that studies show’ or generalized groups such as ‘scientists say'. When we fail to specify a source of the authority we cannot verify the source, thus the credibility of the argument. Appeals to anonymous sources are more often than not either a way to fabricate, exaggerate, or misrepresent facts in order to deceive others into accepting a claim.” [Logically Fallacious]
e'heyeh aser' e'heyeh translates either "I am who I am", "I am what I am", or "I will be what I will be." 'Become' implies change and contradicts immutability which is an attribute of God.
Post the verses and highlight where in the verse it states specifically that the angels were involved in creation. Mentioned by name 'angels'.
care to explain
Care to post your support using scripture? Otherwise, it's your opinion.
Post your supporting verses, please.
