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let's see if our Rabbinic friends have anything significant they agree with Us on
how about it Pharisees? is there Anything?

or is your whole M.O. here only to disagree...(?)
 
let's see if our Rabbinic friends have anything significant they agree with Us on
how about it Pharisees? is there Anything?

or is your whole M.O. here only to disagree...(?)
I would have discussed this topic (there's actually quite a bit that could have been said), but your opening post was just so nasty to us. Honestly, if you want us to engage with you, you have to be respectful. Things like name calling and baseless accusations just ruin it.
 
let's see if our Rabbinic friends have anything significant they agree with Us on
how about it Pharisees? is there Anything?
Rotfl... I don't recall anyone mentioning they were Rabbis. So far, you're off to a bad start. ;)

or is your whole M.O. here only to disagree...(?)
Rotfl.... you must have gotten your feelings hurt somewhere in our discussions.

Can we agree that Jesus relied on his parents righteousness to fulfill the law for him? This should be a simple yes. I'm talking about the case of his circumcision, his consecration, and his redemption.
 
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"Rabbinic Judaism (Hebrew: יהדות רבנית, Yahadut Rabanit), also called Rabbinism, Rabbinicism, or Judaism espoused by the Rabbanites, has been the mainstream form of Judaism..."
"Pharisaic beliefs became the foundational, liturgical, and ritualistic basis for Rabbinic Judaism..."
You should use another source other than Wikipedia. In my Orthodox circles, we don't refer to ourselves with these terms.
 

"Rabbinic Judaism (Hebrew: יהדות רבנית, Yahadut Rabanit), also called Rabbinism, Rabbinicism, or Judaism espoused by the Rabbanites, has been the mainstream form of Judaism..."
"Pharisaic beliefs became the foundational, liturgical, and ritualistic basis for Rabbinic Judaism..."
Pharisees >>>>> Rabbinic Judaism
Essenes (“The Way”) >>>>>> Christianity (“The Way”)

Both believe in a Messiah who is coming to earth. The Pharisees allegedly rejected him in his previous epiphanies.
 
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Pharisees >>>>> Rabbinic Judaism
Essenes (“The Way”) >>>>>> Christianity (“The Way”)

Both believe in a Messiah who is coming to earth. The Pharisees allegedly rejected him in his previous epiphanies.
This was previously posted.
 
Pharisees >>>>> Rabbinic Judaism
Essenes (“The Way”) >>>>>> Christianity (“The Way”)

Both believe in a Messiah who is coming to earth. The Pharisees allegedly rejected him in his previous epiphanies.
No, Essenes were not the foundation of Christianity.
 
"Then the Lord appeared to (Abraham) by the terebinth trees of Mamre, as he was sitting in the tent door in the heat of the day." Genesis 18

"Then the Lord rained brimstone and fire on Sodom and Gomorrah, from the Lord out of the heavens" Genesis 19

"Who has believed our report?
And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?" Isaiah 53
 
"Then the Lord appeared to (Abraham) by the terebinth trees of Mamre, as he was sitting in the tent door in the heat of the day." Genesis 18
Yes, right after fulfilling the commandment of circumcision, the LORD gave Abraham a prophetic revelation in the form of three men.

The revelation on Sinai showed forever more that God has no physical form, Deut 4;9,12,15-18,33,35, and this is what we are to teach our children and how to interpret all of scripture.

"Then the Lord rained brimstone and fire on Sodom and Gomorrah, from the Lord out of the heavens" Genesis 19
Yes, the LORD was in heaven to begin with.

"Who has believed our report?
And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?" Isaiah 53
Yes, the arm represents salvation. Anything else?
 
"The stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone" Psalm 118
The interesting thing about a corner stone is that it is the most important stone because everything grows from it: the foundation, the pillars, the roof. Another way to think about it is as the “head” from the body grows: the trunk, the arms, the legs. In that sense, the Teacher of Righteousness is both the cornerstone and head of the sons and daughters of light because it was from him (the cornerstone and head) that the rest of the structure or body was built. It is why the Dead Sea Scrolls are the greatest archeological discovery in the history of the world with respect to Judeo-Christianity. Without him there would be no Paul, Peter, James. Without Paul there would be no Christianity (presuming the Gospel “Jesus“ is a cypher for the indwelling holy spirit of Paul, just like the prophets Isaiah, et. al.)
 
The interesting thing about a corner stone is that it is the most important stone because everything grows from it: the foundation, the pillars, the roof. Another way to think about it is as the “head” from the body grows: the trunk, the arms, the legs. In that sense, the Teacher of Righteousness is both the cornerstone and head of the sons and daughters of light because it was from him (the cornerstone and head) that the rest of the structure or body was built. It is why the Dead Sea Scrolls are the greatest archeological discovery in the history of the world with respect to Judeo-Christianity. Without him there would be no Paul, Peter, James. Without Paul there would be no Christianity.
I agree that Paul is the inventor of Christianity.
 
I agree that Paul is the inventor of Christianity.
The Teacher of Righteousness was the founder of Jewish Christianity. Paul took the ball handed off to him and shared it with the Gentiles who readily accepted it.

Myth: John the Baptist >>>>>. Jesus

Reality: Jesus (H.S.) x (Teacher of Righteousness >>>>>> Paul)
 
The Teacher of Righteousness was the founder of Jewish Christianity. Paul took the ball handed off to him and shared it with the Gentiles who readily accepted it.

Myth: John the Baptist >>>>>. Jesus

Reality: Jesus x (Teacher of Righteousness >>>>>> Paul)
Righteousness is defined by what's in the law. Paul didn't use this as the basis for his religion.

BTW, the term Jewish Christianity is itself contradictory and a misnomer. Abrogation of Torah is not a Jewish principle.
 
Yes, right after fulfilling the commandment of circumcision, the LORD gave Abraham a prophetic revelation in the form of three men.
Does one gather food and cook for a vision?

Therefore, either the whole story is a myth (with an underlying nucleus of truth long lost by Jewish rabbis) OR Jehova and two angels had a physical dinner with Abraham. I lean to the former.

But to say Abraham had a vision for whom he subsequently cooked a meal for and ate supper with is plain irrational. Apparently, people don’t bother to use their minds before choosing what to believe.
The revelation on Sinai showed forever more that God has no physical form, Deut 4;9,12,15-18,33,35, and this is what we are to teach our children and how to interpret all of scripture.


Yes, the LORD was in heaven to begin with.


Yes, the arm represents salvation. Anything else?
 
Righteousness is defined by what's in the law. Paul didn't use this as the basis for his religion.
Sure he did, both the TOR, and Paul, et.al., (eg Peter, Philo, James) spiritually interpreted the Torah by the Holy Spirit. Just because you take Torah literally, for example, thinking homosexuals deserve to die, because Jehova commands it, does not mean your interpretation is the correct one. It just means you serve Jehova and they serve the Holy Spirit indwelling themselves.

BTW, the term Jewish Christianity is itself contradictory and a misnomer. Abrogation of Torah is not a Jewish principle.
Interpreting Torah is a power of the Holy Spirit.
 
Does one gather food and cook for a vision?
The revelation was the message the 3 men conveyed.

Therefore, either the whole story is a myth (with an underlying nucleus of truth long lost by Jewish rabbis) OR Jehova and two angels had a physical dinner with Abraham. I lean to the former.
I think you misunderstood what's going on.

But to say Abraham had a vision for whom he subsequently cooked a meal for and ate supper with is plain irrational. Apparently, people don’t bother to use their minds before choosing what to believe.
See above.
 
Sure he did, both the TOR, and Paul, et.al., (eg Peter, Philo, James) spiritually interpreted the Torah by the Holy Spirit.
The spirit leads to actual fulfilling the law, Ezekiel 36:26-27, Zechariah 7:12.

Just because you take Torah literally, for example, thinking homosexuals deserve to die, because Jehova commands it, does not mean your interpretation is the correct one.
This is generally said by those that want to trivialize everything away.

It just means you serve Jehova and they serve the Holy Spirit indwelling themselves.
Obedience is evidence of the spirit.

Interpreting Torah is a power of the Holy Spirit.
Following the Torah is evidence of the power of the spirit.
 
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