Joe
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Is that what I stated? No. Reread and try to engage with an open mind to understand, instead of one clenched like a fist.Your preaching makes people believe?
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Is that what I stated? No. Reread and try to engage with an open mind to understand, instead of one clenched like a fist.Your preaching makes people believe?
You're asking if he participated in his Justification. You may get to where you want to be quicker, if you ask him if he participates in his Salvation by Persevering in his Faith...Let me ask you a question. Did you participate in God’s salvation of your soul?
Let me ask you a question. Did you participate in God’s salvation of your soul?
Lol you are funnyYou're asking if he participated in his Justification. You may get to where you want to be quicker, if you ask him if he participates in his Salvation by Persevering in his Faith...
I'm a Calvinist, but if I weren't I would know what questions to ask; and am better as a Calvinist at rebutting Calvinism than former Calvinists are...
But the thing is; I also know how to rebut the Rebuttals...
Thank you for the advice.You're asking if he participated in his Justification. You may get to where you want to be quicker, if you ask him if he participates in his Salvation by Persevering in his Faith...
I'm a Calvinist, but if I weren't I would know what questions to ask; and am better as a Calvinist at rebutting Calvinism than former Calvinists are...
But the thing is; I also know how to rebut the Rebuttals...
DittoThank you for the advice.
Let me ask you: Did you participate in God’s salvation of your soul? If you didn’t then you cannot be saved for you are the one who had to repent, and also believe. God did not do those things for you did he? ?
God bless brother
I participated by Believing and Repenting. God did not do these things for me...Thank you for the advice.
Let me ask you: Did you participate in God’s salvation of your soul? If you didn’t then you cannot be saved for you are the one who had to repent and also believe. God did not do those things for you did he? ?
God bless brother
For me Calvin was the exhaust pipe ? and Arminius the engine ?I participated by Believing and Repenting. God did not do these things for me...
I've described my religious beliefs like the Sponsor's advertising Logos on a NASCAR car. For me, Evangelicalism is the big premier Logo on the hood, and Calvinism is a smaller Logo on the rear Quarter Panel of the Car. So my racecar wouldn't be the number 3 Calvinism Car, but would be the number 3 Evangelicalism Car (Dale Earnhardt was the number 3 car). But this does not deny Calvinism, because that Logo is on the car. Non Calvinists are always trying to bump me on that Quarter Panel and spin me out...
Of a Honda Civic; right?For me Calvin was the exhaust pipe ? and Arminius the engine ?
No the biblical car the one Accord ?Of a Honda Civic; right?
What do you mean by application? This is written to believers not unbelievers. The application is discerning the heart and revealing it to us. God’s work in our sanctification and conforming us to the image of Christ.Hebrews 4:12-13 is universal in application, not just for believers.
Yes, to believers, God is the only one able to search the heart and lead us (believers) in the way of righteousness.While the letter was addressed to believers, they were warned to keep the faith because "the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart. And no creature is hidden from his sight, but all are naked and exposed to the eyes of him to whom we must give account." (Heb 4:12-13)
Yes, Paul is preaching to the visible church.The writer of Hebrews was warning the believers not to fall away from the faith, for all must give God an account for our life. This includes everyone from Adam to the last person born. It is all inclusive of mankind. He was warning them not be like the ones who received the promise of rest and did not enter that rest because of unbelief.
I’m saying Hebrews is written to believers.Let me ask you: Are you saying if it is an unbeliever God's Word is not living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart? And that an unbeliever is excluded from His sight , not naked and exposed, and will not give an account?
I think your mixing Paul’s teaching about God to believers with Paul teaching unbelievers.As you can see, God's Word is universal in application to believers and unbelievers both.
We preach Christ crucified, the gospel.Why do we preach God's Word if it does not expose the thoughts and intent of a person's heart?
What do you think is happening?There is no doubt that when God's Word is preached there is some activity going on within a person.
For the believer, sure thing.Whether it is a believer or not, God's Word is laying us open and convicting us, comforting us, encouraging us, or whatever it is one needs to hear from God.
Again, the epistle is to believers. But no where in scripture does it teach what you are trying to say.So in context, the passage from Hebrews does support that God's Word does the same for everyone, believer or unbeliever.
No comment.It's what one does with the exposure of our sin from God's living and active Word that matters.
God bless brother
Yes, which is more of a reason this is to believers, not unbelieversThis is my retort to Joe's post. Hebrews 4:1Therefore, while the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us fear lest any of you should seem to have failed to reach it. 2For good news came to us just as to them, but the message they heard did not benefit them, because they were not united by faith with those who listened.
Let me ask you a question Joe.Thank you for the advice.
Let me ask you: Did you participate in God’s salvation of your soul? If you didn’t then you cannot be saved for you are the one who had to repent and also believe. God did not do those things for you did he? ?
God bless brother
Actually when a man is given a new heart (quickened), not only do they want to but they do believe.People do not have a real choice as to whether or not they want to believe.
True that!Without the power of God opening the hearts of the hearers, your preaching the gospel will convict no one.
?A crowd hears the gospel preached, and God only opens the hearts of the elect, and they come to repentance. The larger "wiser" crowd believes it folly and mocks.
And?
Why do all these men that are drawn to Christ not believe?
What makes you more special than the Atheist who is also drawn?
Are you just more clever than the Atheist to know that you were drawn?
How exactly does it work? Do you even know or have a clue?
Let me ask you a question Joe.
Would you point me to a passage which teaches the natural man can repent of himself?
And?
Why do all these men that are drawn to Christ not believe?
What makes you more special than the Atheist who is also drawn?
Are you just more clever than the Atheist to know that you were drawn?
How exactly does it work? Do you even know or have a clue?
Let me ask you a question Joe.
Would you point me to a passage which teaches the natural man can repent of himself?
Actually in the Ordo salutis regeneration comes first. And in this we have just as much participation as Adam did when God created him.You're asking if he participated in his Justification.
Yes, no man is released of obligation from worshipping his Maker, the Holy Almighty God.Act 3:19 - Repent ye therefore, and-be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
Act 8:22 - Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, ifperhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.
Act 17:30 - And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but nowcommandeth all men every where to repent:
Acts 3:19 has the correct order repent and be converted.Yes, no man is released of obligation from worshipping his Maker, the Holy Almighty God.
Yes belief and repentance precedes salvation , the new birth and becoming a child of God/ Son of God.Acts 3:19 has the correct order repent and be converted.
Do you realize Peter is preaching to the Jews about Christ and how He will come as judge one day? These Jews killed Christ, Peter is telling them to repent.Acts 3:19 has the correct order repent and be converted.