Strawman. No, they are just pretenders. They are mentioned in the Bible as wolves, false prophets and such.Are you saying the un-chosen had unsaving faith to cast off; or, is there where Evanescent grace comes in?
this is such a corrupted topic.
Pretenders who shipwreck God's irresistible gift of faith?Strawman. No, they are just pretenders...
The same false prophets whom Christ bought, and to whom were given the irresistible gift of faith?...
They are mentioned in the Bible as wolves, false prophets and such.
Who said anything about people saving themselves?I agree.
If salvation is a act of God and He is the only one that can save people, then why are there "saved people" who believe that they contributed to their salvation and done something to save themselves?
Is that not what 1Cor 1:21 states; God saves those who believe.Where did I say that? People who believe the preacher actually obey what the preacher says by completing the action...If you believe Jesus please tell us what Jesus commanded you to do through his apostles, that you believe and obeyed and are currently obeying?
What you are dancing around and not addressing is that God will have mercy and compassion on who He wills.Who are those whom God chooses to save?
Scripturally, God saves those who believe:
1Cor 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, [/u]it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.[/u]
Belief/faith is the means by which one is saved.
No it says..For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. You just left out preaching, Paul explains this here...Is that not what 1Cor 1:21 states; God saves those who believe.
1Cor 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
That does not take away from God saving those who believe the preached word.No it says..For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. You just left out preaching, ...
God has mercy and compassion on those who fear God. Who said anything about God saving me because of my will or exertion?What you are dancing around and not addressing is that God will have mercy and compassion on who He wills.
So it does not depend on your will or on exertion but only on God....
Can you answer?
And you keep saying that means that His mercy is dependent on hope, or human will or exertion.No contradiction:
Psalm 147:11 The LORD taketh pleasure in them that fear him, in those that hope in his mercy.
God does not have mercy and compassion on those who do not fear Him.God has mercy and compassion on those who fear God. Who said anything about God saving me because of my will or exertion?
Psalm 147:11 The LORD taketh pleasure in them that fear him, in those that hope in his mercy.God does not have mercy and compassion on those who do not fear Him.
His mercy and compassion is not dependent on the fear of man.
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Context:...
Rom 9:16 So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy.
Actually, you are implying that His mercy is dependent on human will.And you keep saying that means that His mercy is dependent on hope, or human will or exertion....
Mat 13:20 As for what was sown on rocky ground, this is the one who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy,Pretenders who shipwreck God's irresistible gift of faith?
The same false prophets whom Christ bought, and to whom were given the irresistible gift of faith?
And???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????Psalm 147:11 The LORD taketh pleasure in them that fear him, in those that hope in his mercy.
And???????????????Context:
Rom 9:12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
Pretenders who shipwreck God's irresistible gift of faith?
The same false prophets whom Christ bought, and to whom were given the irresistible gift of faith?
Who said anything about people saving themselves?
Only exists in your mind.Actually, you are implying that His mercy is dependent on human will.
I did not make this projected statement:Only exists in your mind.
Do not try and project your false beliefs onto others.
And you keep saying that means that His mercy is dependent on hope, or human will or exertion.
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Someone who does not believe yet cast off their first faith.No, I mean someone who "did not believe" to begin with, but just pretends, a person like Judas Iscariot.
More projection on your part; I did not say my will had anything to do with my salvation....
If you think your own "will" had anything to do your salvation, then you must have saved yourself.