Debate: Trent Horn vs Steve Christie (Marian dogmas)

Its also a pig sty because there is no accountability. Lay internet fairy tale, sorry apologists (loosely) think they can post away anything they want and then just say we don't have to answer that cuz _________ pick your reason. Also, the ignore button works wonderfully.
The laity are very much to blame for the lack of accountability, they do not demand it. They accept sweeping things under the carpet. They also love to blame others for their inability to defend their faith. They change them from one post to another when they realise they are wrong and yet will not be honest and say, yes I have changed my belief on this. It is okay to grow and develop one's beliefs.
 
God used Mary to humiliate Satan. Mary humbled herself under the mighty hand of God and now God has exalted her in due time. Mary is now queen of heaven and a powerful intercessor for us. It is sad that Christians reject the role God has given her for us.
Indeed, it is far more sad that Roman Catholics reject the Word of God that He has given to us. The following is a strict biblical teaching that the Roman Catholics Church purposely does not teach . . . When man raises their fellow man or woman to illegitimate heights, they are rebuked (Acts 10: 24-26, 14: 11-15). And to further deflate any more Roman Catholic misconceptions, James, the Lord's brother, clearly indicates that even the prophet Elijah's humanity was no different than the rest of us - "A man with a nature like ours" (James 5:17).
 
Indeed, it is far more sad that Roman Catholics reject the Word of God that He has given to us. The following is a strict biblical teaching that the Roman Catholics Church purposely does not teach . . . When man raises their fellow man or woman to illegitimate heights, they are rebuked (Acts 10: 24-26, 14: 11-15). And to further deflate any more Roman Catholic misconceptions, James, the Lord's brother, clearly indicates that even the prophet Elijah's humanity was no different than the rest of us - "A man with a nature like ours" (James 5:17).
Mary has a nature like ours. We didn't exult Mary, God did.
 
So the Catholic church has to be pure, but your church can be a pig sty?
No your institution is the pig sty. Your institution needs to at least be better than all the others because of the false claims your institution makes - the one true church, the holy church, founded by Jesus etc

If it does not live up to its hype then it is not what it claims to be. Being the same as over there is not living up to its claims. Jesus real church is a light.
 
God does not go against His own Word - you've been listening to and believing the devilish unbiblical lies of the RCC too long, and to your own detriment.
Godly men and women are/ were simply human. To say more than that changes the meaning of "humanity."
Mary is the mother of Jesus and Jesus is the Son of God. Mary isn't your average mother. No other mother can say that her son is the Son of God.
 
dingoling. said:
God used Mary to humiliate Satan. Mary humbled herself under the mighty hand of God and now God has exalted her in due time. Mary is now queen of heaven and a powerful intercessor for us.
Christians don't believe that Mary is the OT pagan goddess. who is that pagan goddess interceding with for you?

It is sad that Christians reject the role God has given her for us.
Christians don't reject the role God has given her. catholics do that.
 
Mary is the mother of Jesus and Jesus is the Son of God. Mary isn't your average mother. No other mother can say that her son is the Son of God.
The Son of God was the Son of God prior to Mary's existence:

IOW; Mary had nothing to do with the 2nd Person of the Trinity being the Son of God ; Correct?

Tell us: was Mary also the Spouse of God?
 
Christians don't believe that Mary is the OT pagan goddess. who is that pagan goddess interceding with for you?


Christians don't reject the role God has given her. catholics do that.
Catholics don't believe that Mary is the OT pagan goddess either. The OT goddess is another false, misleading attempt by Satan to steer us from the true Queen of Heaven - Mary.
 
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I didn't say that
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That's not what I asked

I asked
is this correct?
"Mary had nothing to do with the 2nd Person of the Trinity being the Son of God"

I asked
was Mary also the Spouse of God?
May has been declared/given the title by the Pope/Magisterium for centuries now as the mother of God.
 
Then why attack us over believing Scripture over tradition?

The Roman catholic teaching doesn't just stop at faith being necessary, but goes on to teach that more is required; that human will prepares us, before an individual receives salvation.

This is in direct contradiction to Scripture which says, that salvation comes by faith alone in Jesus Christ. The work of attending and joining a church is insufficient. The work of the “sacraments” is insufficient. The cooperation of the human will is insufficient. All of these acts and deeds are nothing more than frail attempts to please God. We can’t please God in our flesh. We have nothing to offer Him that would impress Him or satisfy His holy justice. That’s why Paul makes the clear point – “not a result of works, so that no one may boast”

Scripture says the only way to God is through His son. There is no other way to him, no matter how brilliant of an idea; God will not accept it.

Ephesians 2:9
not by works, so that no one can boast.
Faith isn't the only thing, it is just what is first required. Read the scriptures and you will see that other things come into play. Baptism is mentioned as a requirement, that it "now saves you". We are also judged on our actions as we go through life, that we will either receive a reward or won't. Saying one has faith and then living a life not in accordance with God's plan is not going to cut it.
 
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