tbeachhead
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Since I have admitted that I am not qualified to exegete Hebrew Scriptures, I would never have and did not says "tzelem always means physical." You claimed that tzelem is not and cannot mean physical, and I quoted Strongs and Drivers from BibleHub.com.You have said tzelem always means physical. I can show you again the post. I never said my God didn't create, and showed other Christians that understand tzelem the way I do. So the false words are on your side.
1 images of tumours and mice (of gold) 1 Samuel 6:5 (twice in verse); 1 Samuel 6:11; especially of heathen gods Amos 5:26 (text dubious; strike out We as gloss, compare GASm Dr), 2 Kings 11:18 2Chronicles 23:17 (both with verb שִׁבְּרוּ), Ezekiel 7:20, so זָכָר ׳צ Ezekiel 16:17 (i.e. in male form, according to figurative of harlotry for idolatry); צַלְמֵי מַסֵכֹתָם Numbers 33:52 their molten images; of painted pictures of men Ezekiel 23:14.
2 image, likeness, of resemblance, ׳בְּצ (בָּרָא) עָשָׂה, of God's making man in his own image, Genesis 1:26("" כִּדְמוּתֵנוּ), Genesis 1:27; Genesis 1:27; Genesis 9:6, ׳כְּצ Genesis 5:3 ("" בִּדְמוּתוֺ; all P).
3 figurative = mere, empty, image, semblance, ׳בְּצ Psalm 39:7 as (ב essentiae) a (mere) semblance man walks about; צַלְמָם תִּבְזֶה Psalm 73:20 thou wilt despise their semblance.
Strongs says:image, vain show
From an unused root meaning to shade; a phantom, i.e. (figuratively) illusion, resemblance; hence, a representative figure, especially an idol -- image, vain shew.
Nothing says "always"...I, unlike you, do not invent or repeat things you did not say and attribute my invention to you.
As far as demuth/likeness goes, I'm qualified to quote Brown-Drivers-Briggs and Strongs. 1 likeness, similitude, of external appearance, chiefly in Ezek.: Ezekiel 1:5 (likeness, i.e. something that appeared like) so Ezekiel 1:26; Ezekiel 8:2 דְּמוּת כְּמַרְאֵה (אֵשׁׅ (compare Co), Ezekiel 10:1 כִּסֵּא ׳כְּמַרְאֵה ד; compare also Daniel 10:16 כִּדְמוּת בְּנֵי אָדָם i.e. one like the sons of man; similitude, resemblance Ezekiel 1:5,10,16,22,26; Ezekiel 10:10,21,22; דְּמוּת כְּמַרְאֵה אָדָם Ezekiel 1:26; ׳מַרְאֵה ד ׳כְּבוֺד י Ezekiel 1:28; also 2 Kings 16:10 (pattern of altar), 2 Chronicles 4:3 (images of oxen); of son in likeness of father Genesis 5:3 (P); so also of man in likeness of God Genesis 1:26 ("" צֶלֶם) Genesis 5:1 (both P); compare Isaiah 40:18 what ׳ד will ye compare to him (אֵל) ? "" דִּמָּה q. v.
2 adverbially, in likeness of, like as Isaiah 13:4 compare Ezekiel 23:15 & ׳כִּד Psalm 58:5. — Ezekiel 1:13 read וּבֵינוֺת, see בֵּין and J P PetersJBL 1892 40. 42. On דְּמוּת אֶחָד Ezekiel 1:16; Ezekiel 10:10 (apparently masculine) compare Thes & Sm who translate the likeness of one had they all four; Co reads אחת.
Strongs: fashion, likeness, as, manner, similitude
From damah; resemblance; concretely, model, shape; adverbially, like -- fashion, like (-ness, as), manner, similitude.
see HEBREW damah.
That's what I've said...No dictionary excludes actual appearance...no dictionary includes "imaginary character or indescribable, inimitible personality."
Not the angels/spirits we were talking about. Stop shifting the turf.Angels, as I've told you before are also men. So try to keep up.
This is called a "literal, word for word translation. It's a useful tool when examining context and paradox. I admit to the knowledge that elohim is plural. Your denial has again been highlighted.You translated elohim as gods in the Shema and you said they are one. You admitted to 3 gods. Don't back out now. Rotgl...
Your false statement. Not mine...Your inability to understand again fulfilling Isaiah.But your god with a physical tzelem was created.
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