Reformedguy
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My guns have never hurt anyoneJust a quick question; when did the blood and the bodies of your children become an acceptable price for you to be able to own guns?
My guns have never hurt anyoneJust a quick question; when did the blood and the bodies of your children become an acceptable price for you to be able to own guns?
Here's even your buddies at CNN refuting your nonsense: https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/06/politics/obama-trump-mental-illness-gun-rule-fact-check/index.htmlI provided a link to support my claim. You did not.
Rights can be granted by one individual to another, so while society doesn't necessarily have to recognize those rights, you're correct in saying the rights are meaningful if there's no enforcement. If I give you the right to hunt in the woods on my property, I can still kick you out the minute I see you - and that right will have effectively been meaningless/nonexistent.Rights are only meaningful if society recognizes those rights and has a way of enforcing them. Which means there must be laws that encode rights.
That really IS the problem. Roughly half of my country feels the blood of school children is an acceptable sacrifice for hobby ownership/use of firearms.Just a quick question; when did the blood and the bodies of your children become an acceptable price for you to be able to own guns?
Agreed. The problem is the economic system we live under, greatly limits funding for things like this.
And the dangers of privatized institutions are real, where people are over medicated, experimented on.......
Mental illness whether violent or non-violent should be treated.
I believe rehabilitation is better than punishment.
There are more slaves now than ever... though now for sex rather than cottonOpinions on morality change as well. Slavery is immoral? Tell that to the Athenians. We think it is now, but moral views have changed. Which is one of the reasons why we KNOW that it is subjective.
Sorry for tagging you twice for the same post, @vibise . I had to fix a serious typo.Rights can be granted by one individual to another, so while society doesn't necessarily have to recognize those rights, you're correct in saying the rightsRights are only meaningful if society recognizes those rights and has a way of enforcing them. Which means there must be laws that encode rights.arearen't meaningful if there's no enforcement. If I give you the right to hunt in the woods on my property, I can still kick you out the minute I see you - and that right will have effectively been meaningless/nonexistent.
Rights have three components: a right giver, a right receiver, and a mechanism of enforcement. If one of these is missing, the right doesn't exist.
I give Authentic Nouveau the right to get a job, but since there's no way for me to ensure he's employed, that "right" I gave him was meaningless. et al.
A car is designed as a method of transportation. If a death occurs from the use of a car it is almost always accidental, the only reason a gun has for existence is to kill something and it seems to me quite clearly that you have decided that your ability to kill something is far more important than somebody else’s life. That said, your comparison is inane. You are seriously trying to compare an accidental by-product of a vehicle’s existence with the main reason for something else. This is exactly the kind of stupidity I have come to expect from Americans at this kind of time and the reason I say you should not be allowed anything more dangerous than a fork.Since when did the blood of someone killed by a car become an acceptable price for you to own a car.
It's really a matter of prioritization and budgets. What's more important?
Reference please
I can't agree with you more.
Learn the difference between plural and singular "you."My guns have never hurt anyone
The Bible does condemn rape and slavery in the NT. I and others have provided the quotes and citations. The OT does, and the context of that has been given, but why would you say the Bible doesnt when you have seen it does?If they believe their is some cosmic, inaccessible, set of objective rules out there, they could hold the wrong position.
You can’t be wrong about your opinion, but their opinion might not align with the cosmic, objective one. How would we know?
The Bible certainly doesn’t condemn rape or slavery, but most of us are of the opinion they are wrong.
The mass terrorist killings in the UK have not involved guns but bombs and cars being driven at people. Bomb ownership is banned and car ownership is controlled.The childhood you describe is locality specific. My childhood was entirely gun free. The only person in our neighborhood with a gun was a hunter who offered roasts to neighbors.
A recent article in the NYT presented statistics on household gun ownership by state. In Wyoming it is a whopping 80%, whereas in NJ where I grew up it is 20%, although it was clearly much less than that where I grew up.
The problem is guns. There are more gun deaths and injuries in areas with more guns and lax gun laws.
There is no data to support your implication that the problem is mental health.
As for giving a platform for shooters, I notice that the stories on the Texas shooting avoid naming the shooter and I have yet to see a picture of him.
Nowhere.Where did the god of the Bible have anything to say about the right to own guns?
Anti-things that are designed to kill people?You are closed minded anti guns
The sentence was perfectly correct, I suggest you read it again.Learn the difference between plural and singular "you."
As you see that isn't entirely correct. That you call it inane is alarming. It is correct that the car is designed for transportation whilst the gun is designed to kill, and that almost all car deaths are accidental, but cars have increasingly been used in terrorist attacks which means whatever the intended use of the implement, it can still be misused.A car is designed as a method of transportation. If a death occurs from the use of a car it is almost always accidental, the only reason a gun has for existence is to kill something and it seems to me quite clearly that you have decided that your ability to kill something is far more important than somebody else’s life. That said, your comparison is inane. You are seriously trying to compare an accidental by-product of a vehicle’s existence with the main reason for something else. This is exactly the kind of stupidity I have come to expect from Americans at this kind of time and the reason I say you should not be allowed anything more dangerous than a fork.
no it doesn’t doesn’tThe Bible does condemn rape and slavery in the NT. I and others have provided the quotes and citations. The OT does, and the context of that has been given, but why would you say the Bible doesnt when you have seen it does?
OK, I read that in context and you couldn’t be more wrongFor example, the NT says do not become slaves of men and if you are a slave try and obtain your freedom.
yeah, no condemnation of rapeThere is no mention of rape in the NT, its all faithful loving union of man and woman. Indeed it says the husband's and wife's very bodies are to be honoured by each other.
The fact that I own guns, or any other law abiding citizen who owns guns, has never killed anyone. So you silly gotcha question is shot down. No pun intended.Learn the difference between plural and singular "you."
I have questions.Very disturbing. Happened in a town 85 miles west of San Antonio. Apparently the shooter (a high schooler who went to the elementary school to shoot it up) killed his grandmother before going to the school and shooting. He is now dead (I don't believe he is included in the number) after a gunfight with police.
Sounds like he had a handgun and possibly used a rifle as well.
Death toll in Texas elementary school shooting rises; 19 children, 2 adults killed by shooter
The suspect was identified as 18-year-old Salvador Ramos, a student at Uvalde High School.abc7chicago.com
Takes a lot of evil to go shoot up 2-4th graders. Takes a real special sort of evil to go do it after you murdered your own grandmother. Sadly someone this filled with evil and hatred (and likely mental issues) is going to figure out a way to take out his rage on the world, no matter what.
Also, apparently many of the victims are kids of Border Patrol agents, which could potentially be a coincidence or perhaps could be something of a motive (given the shooter's ethnicity), we'll have to see.