1John 5:1 regeneration before faith

[Reformedguy]

Thats choice not rotten as what you peddle

Aww.... did I pick on you pope? Pope choice meat? Poor baby

 

[Reformedguy]

It is not stated for kings (plural)

So what. Whoopee

 

[fltom]

Aww.... did I pick on you pope? Pope choice meat? Poor baby

That certainly beats your rotten meat

 

[fltom]

So what. Whoopee

So your argument is weak

that is what

 

[Reformedguy]

So your argument is weak

that is what

Actually it's quite sound and compatibilism rules the day.

Would you like to take the test again?

 

[Reformedguy]

That certainly beats your rotten meat

Aww, somebody is getting upset. Time for a vacation? LOL

 

[fltom]

Aww, somebody is getting upset. Time for a vacation? LOL

not upset

just giving you a taste of your own medicine

 

[Reformedguy]

not upset

just giving you a taste of your own medicine

Then your upset and I'm liking it.

 

[Alexander the adequate]

Jeremiah 17:9 The heart is deceitful

Hebrews 4:12. Source of our thoughts and intentions

1 Samuel 16:7. The Lord looks upon the heart.

Matthew 15:18 whatever comes out of the mouth precedes from the heart.

Psalms 37:4 our desires come from the heart.

And many more.

God turning the heart where He wishes it yo go should be self explanitory. God is soverign over your desires.

You gave me verses except for what I asked and then stated what i asked for was self explanatory.
Can I assume that you do not have a clear scriptural description of what happens when God turns a heart?
Where does your understanding of that phrase come from?
Yes, we have the one verse so far stating that God does it, but what is it that God is doing?

I will throw this out to anyone who knows some scripture teaching on this concept: what does it mean that God turns a heart, what happens to a person when God does this?

 

[fltom]

Then your upset and I'm liking it.

Nope

 

[Reformedguy]

Nope

Yup.

It will be okay. I will be nice.

 

[David1701]

But didn't your post just use that verse to declare that God controls us? rather than just pointing the way?

Certainly, God directs our steps, but without using force.

 

[Alexander the adequate]

Certainly, God directs our steps, but without using force

You are agreeing that God controls us, as that is what I said and you say "certainly"
But without force?
How does that work? Control without force? Can you explain from scripture what you mean?

 

[Theo1689]

How does that work? Control without force? Can you explain from scripture what you mean?

Your question is fallacious.
You ASSUME "control" is "force", and when we reject your assumption, you shift the burden of proof.

Where does the BIBLE teach "control is force"?

 

[guest1]

A prisoner is controlled by force .

oops

 

[Alexander the adequate]

Your question is fallacious.
You ASSUME "control" is "force", and when we reject your assumption, you shift the burden of proof.

Where does the BIBLE teach "control is force"?

Ok. where does the Bible teach "control"? We can look at those verses and see if they include or imply force

 

[Slyzr]

A prisoner is controlled by force .

oops

It for freedom ....

That we cannot be.

Err .....

That is a rough one.

 

[Theo1689]

Ok. where does the Bible teach "control"? We can look at those verses and see if they include or imply force

So you can't show where the Bible teaches "control is force".
Thank you for the admission.

 

[Alexander the adequate]

So you can't show where the Bible teaches "control is force".
Thank you for the admission.

The word control means there is a force at work to accomplish an action/goal.
But you sounded as if you thought the Bible had verses that taught something different.
Was there a reason why you doubted that control takes force? What scriptures were you thinking of?

 

[Predestined]

The word control means there is a force at work to accomplish an action/goal.
But you sounded as if you thought the Bible had verses that taught something different.
Was there a reason why you doubted that control takes force? What scriptures were you thinking of?

Yup Exodus 11:5

The final visitation showed God was not only the controlling force in nature, but was also the controlling force in life and death. Yahweh Himself brings the plague. This attack demonstrated that the God of the Hebrews was greater than Osiris, the Egyptian giver of life.