Throwing 1,000 Consecutive Heads

Nathan P said:
You manipulate it by making it go how you want instead of it going undirected.
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I do not manipulate the coin tosses, they are random. All I 'manipulate' is the average number of descendants, one per member of the population on average. This is in line with observations of real populations; they tend to stay about the same over time.

What I show is that in this realistic model of evolution over many generations, the result: "HHHH...HHH" appears highly unlikely, but in fact is not. The reason is that all DNA sequences that fail to reproduce for any reason are no longer represented in the final population.

What appear to be impossible odds are in fact very close to a certainty, short of the population going extinct.
 
CrowCross said:
It is true...evolutionism definitely could not produced the organelle assembly line.
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Considering that evolutionism only exists in your head, you're correct about this. However, if we assume you meant "evolution", then you've made a claim you have no possible hope of supporting.

Either way, evolution wins.
 
mikeT said:
Considering that evolutionism only exists in your head, you're correct about this. However, if we assume you meant "evolution", then you've made a claim you have no possible hope of supporting.

Either way, evolution wins.
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No, Jesus wins. I read the end of the book.
 
rossum said:
I do not manipulate the coin tosses, they are random. All I 'manipulate' is the average number of descendants, one per member of the population on average. This is in line with observations of real populations; they tend to stay about the same over time.

What I show is that in this realistic model of evolution over many generations, the result: "HHHH...HHH" appears highly unlikely, but in fact is not. The reason is that all DNA sequences that fail to reproduce for any reason are no longer represented in the final population.

What appear to be impossible odds are in fact very close to a certainty, short of the population going extinct.
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Another major problem is your model doesn't allow for a future mutation to add to a previous.
 
CrowCross said:
Another major problem is your model doesn't allow for a future mutation to add to a previous.
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I am not modelling mutations, so that is not a problem; it is outside the scope of the model.

All I am modelling is success or failure in reproduction. The point is that every single one of your ancestors succeeded in reproducing. Each one rolled heads. And there were a lot more than 1,000 of them.
 
rossum said:
I am not modelling mutations, so that is not a problem; it is outside the scope of the model.

All I am modelling is success or failure in reproduction. The point is that every single one of your ancestors succeeded in reproducing. Each one rolled heads. And there were a lot more than 1,000 of them.
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The coin flipper tossed just as many tails and not 1,000 consecutive heads.
 
CrowCross said:
The coin flipper tossed just as many tails and not 1,000 consecutive heads.
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Read the OP again. By the end, you have about 5,000 cards with 1,000 consecutive heads on them. Yes, tails were thrown as well, but none of the tails ended up on the final set of cards.

All of your ancestors: two parents, four grandparents, eight great-grandparents and so on, succeeded in reproducing. Not one of them failed. That is fourteen heads in just three generations.
 
rossum said:
Read the OP again. By the end, you have about 5,000 cards with 1,000 consecutive heads on them. Yes, tails were thrown as well, but none of the tails ended up on the final set of cards.
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So what....tails were tossed by the coin tosser.
rossum said:
All of your ancestors: two parents, four grandparents, eight great-grandparents and so on, succeeded in reproducing. Not one of them failed. That is fourteen heads in just three generations.
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In your scenario there was one coin tosser....in life there is a large number of coin tossers.
 
CrowCross said:
So what....tails were tossed by the coin tosser.
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And those cards were thrown away. Only a throw of heads resulted in two cards in the next generation.

CrowCross said:
In your scenario there was one coin tosser....in life there is a large number of coin tossers.
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... and my scenario shows how nature separates successful tosses (having offspring) from unsuccessful tosses (no offspring).

As you go back through your ancestors for thousands and thousands of generations, every one of them threw heads. That is where the continuous line of successful throws is.
 
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rossum said:
And those cards were thrown away. Only a throw of heads resulted in two cards in the next generation.
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Which doesn't mimic nature....nature is much more complicated...but you wind disagree.
rossum said:
... and my scenario shows how nature separates successful tosses (having offspring) from unsuccessful tosses (no offspring).
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rossum said:
As you go back through your ancestors for thousands and thousands of generations, every one of them threw heads. That is where the continuous line of successful throws is.
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With many tails in-between the heads.
 
CrowCross said:
Which doesn't mimic nature....nature is much more complicated...but you wind disagree.
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In this case nature is simple: offspring or no offspring. That is a simple yes or no. That is why I used a coin toss in my example.

CrowCross said:
With many tails in-between the heads.
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However, the tails have no descendants. Those are all the cards that get thrown away in each generation; they died without reproducing. All of your ancestors threw heads, not tails. They successfully reproduced.

CrowCross said:
There's more than tossers who don't accept the. false religion of evolutionism.
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Again you show that you consider science superior to religion. You try to demean science by calling it a religion.
 
Temujin said:
I have yet to meet any. But then, as the "false religion of evolutionism" only exists in your head, that isn't surprising.
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EVOLUTION ISM

EvolutionISM is a religion....the preachers are guys such as Gould, Darwin...Bill Nye the Science guy, etc.
They fervently follows the beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of the above preachers.

Then there are little evongelist such as the false prophet who post on this forum....claiming EVOLUTION ISM IS TRUE....as they thump their text books...Now that is enough to make anyone sick

The evo-scientist always looking for a hand out...offering, can you say grant?

Even your donations to the religion of EvolutionISM are often tax deductible.

Sure the preachers of evolutionISM may not have a stained glass windowed buildings...but they do have lecture halls where the deceived come to hear the latest.

The evos use these institutionalized system to ground themselves in such belief and worship of mans fallible science.

The Christians uses the book of Genesis from the Word of God to help us understand our Godly origins while the disciples of evolutionISM try to force fit fossils into some fragmented gapped filled so-called evolutionary linage.

Christianity says we need salvation...we are all sinners and need the blood of Jesus Christ to wash us white as snow...while the typical evolutionISM believer says there is no sin, no price to pay....no need for salvation. Their claim is man is the measure of all means.

Of course there are different denominations of evolutionISM, considering they all don't believe the same thing. Some are gradual, some are punctuated. Some claim birds are dinos while some preach, no way!. Some followers of organized religious denominational evolutionISM allow god as a creator.

Some of the different sects of evolutionISM have man continuing to evolve and achieving the Omega Point......tell me that's not religion.

Christianity has miracles; evolutionISM has the need for magical mutations.

The evos belief is in reverence for the power of natural selection and other powers regarded as a creation force that governs the universe.

EvolutionISM is truly an ISM theory. It has NEVER been witnesses, predicted or repeated in a lab. There are no examples of morphological mutations.

Most of the followers of evolutionism are fervent in their faith...the way the evos act here easily proves that point.

They follow their cause, their principle, and pursue their activities with zeal and conscientious devotion.
 
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