Would the wording second member of the Trinity be more pleasing to you?
Faith Alone
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1Thess521
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just tell us: What works?
I already did in the previous post. And the purpose of works isn’t for Gods benefit it’s for our benefit. I also don’t think that Protestants and Catholics have come to the point where they can all come together singing Kumbaya my Lord Kumbaya as a result of having reached a mutual agreement on the doctrine of salvation by faith alone. That was the reason for my post.
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1Thess521
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and here we have another poster :
"Its NOT faith alone; but I can't tell what works you must do"
I’m not the previous poster. Take up any issue you have with them. See my post #185
Where does the scripture say "second member of the Trinity?" Are we not discussing scripture here?
Don't you know what good works are?
Good works also make others glorify God.
Matthew 5:16
Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
It doesn’t mention the exact phrase in either case. What’s your point?
Correct.
1 Timothy 6:18
18 Let them do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to give, willing to share,
18 Let them do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to give, willing to share,
Galatians 5:4-6
4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. 5 For we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love.
4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. 5 For we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love.
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docphin5
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”then the LORD God formed the man of dust from the ground” (Gen 2:7)
…or your mind is closed, kinda like,
“But their minds were hardened. For to this day, when they read the old covenant, that same veil remains unlifted, because only through Christ is it taken away.”
People who think the Bible is primarily historical and literal, like the Pharisees in Paul’s time, cannot see the spiritual meaning of scripture. The heavenly/celestial Christ revealed by scripture and doctrines associated with his cosmic life are foreign to such people.
Since we will never see eye-to-eye you can have the last word cause I don’t plan on spinning my wheels with you.
docphin5
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Two people belonging to the same community, in this case, the “party of Christ”, may have sharp disagreements on a specific matter, in this case whether Gentile converts should Judaize or not, —again, whether Gentile converts are obligated to the works commanded by the Mosaic Law, —to the point of becoming estranged but then over time one of the people can soften their position (or both) and the relationship is restored. It happens in life all the time, especially in families. That is what I perceive happened in the natural development of Christianity and which scholars have documented.
Arguably, Peter, James, and John, came around to see Paul’s Gospel as the correct one. Gentile converts were not obligated to obey works of the Law: food purity, temple sacrifices, sabbath ordinances, circumcision, Jewish feast and festivals, etc. Faith was sufficient to confer righteousness led by a moral consciousness, aka, the inner Yeshua or Holy Spirit. Paul’s Gospel was universal in scope, whereas, Jame’s Gospel, at least initially, was particular to Judaism.
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1Thess521
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yep :
works of the law
and works of righteousness
your claim that works are required
Romans 3:28 For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law.
Titus 3:5 He saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,
What else is there?
What are the works you think save?
Romans 3:25-27
25 Him God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in His blood, to declare His righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
26 to declare, I say, at this time, His righteousness: that He might be just, and the justifier of him that believeth in Jesus.
27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? Nay, but by the law of faith.
We are saved by grace. We are not saved by works neither are we saved by our faith alone.
Bob Carabbio
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Eph 2:8,9 makes it clear that Salvation IS NOT through "Works", but by FAITH (gifted by God since humans can't generate Biblical FAITH on their own).
One who has been Born AGain by FAITH, has also been indwelled by the Holy Spirit, who joins with their human spirit, and provides the impetus for Romans 8:28,29 - i.e. All things work TOGETHER for the good of the person, and that "Good" is defined as "Conforming one to the IMAGE of Jesus".
The LAW is there as big as life, BUT the Born Again Christian has already been judged by it, and their "old Man" has been nailed to the cross along with Jesus (Gal 2:20). The law has no effect on a dead person.
HOWEVER THE LAW remains eternally as the Will of God for humans, and since the Born Again human is indwelled by the Holy Spirit, naturally their tendency will be toward living according to the law (imperfectly, since we're still human), but with a constant trend toward better performing God's will in life. (Sanctification is a PROCESS that works in us as long as we live).
1Thess521
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Again; what works?
They cannot be works if the law
and it cannot be work if righteousness:
What else is there?
1Thess521
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nope : never has
I already told you we are not saved by any works.