My point is why are we discussing something that is not written in the bible in a bible discussion?It doesn’t mention the exact phrase in either case. What’s your point?
My point is why are we discussing something that is not written in the bible in a bible discussion?It doesn’t mention the exact phrase in either case. What’s your point?
YHWH forms the body that the Holy Spirit indwells so in that sense YHWH “sends” the body or substance of Christ.”then the LORD God formed the man of dust from the ground” (Gen 2:7)
As your mind is completely missing kinda like.…or your mind is closed, kinda like,
That is referring to the Jews.“But their minds were hardened. For to this day, when they read the old covenant, that same veil remains unlifted, because only through Christ is it taken away.”
As it is to you also.People who think the Bible is primarily historical and literal, like the Pharisees in Paul’s time, cannot see the spiritual meaning of scripture. The heavenly/celestial Christ revealed by scripture and doctrines associated with his cosmic life are foreign to such people.
Oh, we do see eye to eye that is why you are running away. You have been caught and exposed in scriptural witchcraft...Since we will never see eye-to-eye you can have the last word cause I don’t plan on spinning my wheels with you.
great!!!I already told you we are not saved by any works.
Do you have an understanding problem? No one is saved by any works but one must continue in good works to maintain their salvation.yep :
works of the law
and works of righteousness
Nope, I made no such claim, Like I said you seem to have an understanding problem. We are discussing Justification to enter into the kingdom of God and also what is required after. By faith one is justified but one cannot enter into the kingdom without action.
your claim that works are required
So you have been justified, How did you enter into the kingdom?
Romans 3:28 For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law.
Titus 3:5 He saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,
Tell me how you entered into the kingdom without works.
What else is there?
Ephesians 2:10What are the works you think save?
Now you are moving the goalposts...I have not seen anyone make the argument works are required at the moment of justification.great!!!
So works are not required at the moment of justification.
My point is why are we discussing something that is not written in the bible in a Bible discussion?
Now you are moving the goalposts. I have not seen anyone make the argument works are required at the moment of justification.
Great! So works are not required at the moment of justification.
Definitely mistaken...Jesus is not God in any way or form. He is the son of God
I may be mistaken and please feel free to correct me if I’m wrong but weren’t you the one referring to Jesus Christ as God incarnate?
Then he cannot be God. At this point, you shouldn't be going any further.
Jesus is the only begotten Son of God.
God is a spirit, sir. Jesus said so. Jesus took on the form of man, which means he was a spirit before. Same as his father God.In the same way earthly children look like their parents Jesus Christ resembles Heavenly Father who is a real person, with a perfected body of flesh and bones.
So the eternal Father alone is God. Jesus and the HS are not God the father and neither does God the father need them to be God the father.
We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.
And God is the father of spirits...How does that help your argument?The Holy Ghost is a personage of spirit.
Therefore, God, the father is over all of them...They are one in purpose and are perfectly united in bringing to pass Heavenly Father’s plan of salvation. They preside over this world and all other creations of our Father in Heaven.
Yes, and you have a duty to remain reconciled.
I believe in the witness given in the New Testament of Jesus Christ. He has made an atonement for my sins and by so doing reconciled me to God.
So Sola Fide is trueNow you are moving the goalposts...I have not seen anyone make the argument works are required at the moment of justification.
Nope God saved us while we were yet sinners.
Good works are not required at our initial salvation.
Yes, it is. Ye cannot re-crucify Jesus over and over.Our justification before God is not a one time event we can mark on our calendar.
Yes, but we cannot be re-saved.We were saved we are being saved and we will be saved.
I see your point on this matter.This is not an argument for the doctrine of salvation by faith alone. Neither am I saying by this that works do not play a role in our ongoing justification.
Titus 3:5
5 He saved us not by works of righteousness which we had done,but according to His mercy,by the washing of regeneration,and by the renewing of the Holy Ghost,
The scripture is true...but you cannot be moving the goalpost willy-nilly. When you are referring to initial justification faith is required, no works are involved. But to enter into the kingdom works are required and to maintain the right standing with God works are required. All three are required for full salvation. (1) Faith to be justified (2)Faith+ works to enter into the kingdom (3) Faith+works to maintain the right standing with God.So Sola Fide is true
We are justified by faith apart from works of the law and not from works of righteousness:
The scripture is true...but you cannot be moving the goalpost willy-nilly. When you are referring to initial justification faith is required, no works are involved. But to enter into the kingdom works are required and to maintain the right standing with God works are required. All three are required for full salvation. (1) Faith to be justified (2)Faith+ works to enter into the kingdom (3) Faith+works to maintain the right standing with God.
Romans 8:The scripture is true...but you cannot be moving the goalpost willy-nilly. When you are referring to initial justification faith is required, no works are involved. But to enter into the kingdom works are required and to maintain the right standing with God works are required. All three are required for full salvation. (1) Faith to be justified (2)Faith+ works to enter into the kingdom (3) Faith+works to maintain the right standing with God.
You asked what works you need to be saved, since we are still being saved works are involved in our salvation. You need to make your position clear. Not troll when the scripture is being explained to you."initial justification faith is required, no works are involved"
Thank you!!!!!
So your issue is with OSAS and not Solal Fide
the title of this thread is "faith alone"You asked what works you need to be saved, since we are still being saved works are involved in our salvation. You need to make your position clear. Not troll when the scripture is being explained to you.
That seems like an OSAS position... But people do fall away.Romans 8:
9For those God foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers. 30And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified.
Question ---> Is there anyone who God justified: that He will NOT glorify?
they were never savedThat seems like an OSAS position... But people do fall away.
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
And some completely miss the mark...
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
a complete rejection of works based salvation!!!21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Faith alone is faith without works...James says faith without works is dead.the title of this thread is "faith alone"
Therefore it is referencing the faith that God gives every man to believe Jesus is the son of God. God gives that faith no one mustered it up. When a man acknowledges that Jesus is the son of God he must repent and be baptized to enter into the kingdom of God. How did you enter into the kingdom of God?Which is referencing the doctrine called "Sola Fide"
By God through faith that God himself gives.Sola Fide addresses how we are justified:
Then they have to enter into the kingdom and maintain righteousness. If not they go back to being unsaved. How many saved people do you think there are outside the kingdom of God?The justified are saved
2 Peter 1:10Those who are Predestined will be saved
Those who are Elect will be saved
Those who God calls will be saved
Those who are regenerated (born again)are saved
Those who have Faith are saved
Those who Repent are saved
Those who are Justified are saved
Those who are Adopted are saved
Those who are being sanctified are saved
Those who will be glorified will be saved