But you cannot make an argument against any of it, can you?Strawman from start to finish.
But you cannot make an argument against any of it, can you?Strawman from start to finish.
Your rubbish has already been refuted... Go study the Athanasian creed. where each person by himself is God.God is The Lord of the sabbath.
Man is Lord of NOTHING.
No, it does not...The question is Was the Word (Jesus) God (his Father) Yes or No?As long as it says "with" God and “was” God than He is the “I Am”.
God does not have blood therefore the word of God is not God but the son of God a man.Revelation 19:13
And he [was] clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
One Person is The Father, ONE is The Son, One is The Holy Spirit.You said every person refers to Father, Son and HS. Does each person consist of the Father, Son and HS? Or what do you mean there?
I disagree. The issue I believe is the definition used for tzelem, image. It appears you understand it as essence which i agree wouldn't apply. I believe it means representative, a semblance, which man is on earth.The questions you were asking did not express any attempt to understand what was being said. The exact same types of questions can be produced ad infinitum as to question anything. I said "Some attributes of God were attributed to men being made in his image. Other's are not." This is a truism for every interpretation of man being made in God's image.
With no reason why. The trinity isn't a truism.What are the attributes of God along with which attributes are attributed to men and which are not is hotly debated, but that there is disagreement on such doesn't touch the truism. I also said "Being three persons is not one of those attributes that are given to men."
But, you haven't clarified why the trinity is a truism.That's my application of this truism to your question. Without any further clarification from you, such fully answers your question.
You're still not explaining why man can't be 3, nor why the trinity is real.If you think my application is unreasonable, then you have to provide your reasoning. This is true no matter how I would answer your question. That's why those questions in this context express an attempt to over analyze the minutia of situation before understanding what I'm saying.
But true God doesn't stop being God. He doesn't change.Nope. One who is true God emptied himself as to become man.
So, you contradict that 3 persons in the godhead are God. Your assertion that the trinity consists of 3 persons as God is not a truism nor attribute. Do you see that?In that situation, what would his relationship as man be to the other members of the Godhead? Answer, as a creature.
But you argue Jesus is both. So, the fact he worshipped the Father shows he isn't the God. You can't get around this.Therefore, worship is expected as man; while as God, it's expected God worships no one and bows to no one.
But, Jesus wasn't truly God on earth, nor does God's perfect image entail humanity.Sir, Jesus, who is God, as God is the perfect image of God.
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The Word is God The Son, who became a man and thus had blood.No, it does not...The question is Was the Word (Jesus) God (his Father) Yes or No?
God does not have blood therefore the word of God is not God but the son of God a man.
And each person by himself is God, therefore three Gods.One Person is The Father, ONE is The Son, One is The Holy Spirit.
Hope that clears things up.
No mention of a God the Son in the scripture. If your so-called God the son was a man then he is not God. He was a man.The Word is God The Son, who became a man and thus had blood.
Rotfl... this is hilarious newbie. I don't see why he's blind to this.No mention of a God the Son in the scripture. If your so-called God the son was a man then he is not God. He was a man.
Therefore a STRAWMAN.And each person by himself is God, therefore three Gods.
Athanasian Creed
19. For like as we are compelled by the Christian verity to acknowledge every Person by himself to be God and Lord;
God The Son BECAME a Man, known as Jesus Christ, who is BOTH God and Man.No mention of a God the Son in the scripture. If your so-called God the son was a man then he is not God. He was a man.
If you mean there are 3 person's and one is the Father and one is the Son and one is the HS yes?One Person is The Father, ONE is The Son, One is The Holy Spirit.
Hope that clears things up.
When you said every person refers to the Father, Son and HS it sounded like you meant everyone of the person's referred to the Father, Son and the HS.One Person is The Father, ONE is The Son, One is The Holy Spirit.
Hope that clears things up.
Which is why I decided to clear things up.If you mean there are 3 person's and one is the Father and one is the Son and one is the HS yes?
When you said every person refers to the Father, Son and HS it sounded like you meant everyone of the person's referred to the Father, Son and the HS.
I disagree. The issue I believe is the definition used for tzelem, image. It appears you understand it as essence which i agree wouldn't apply. I believe it means representative, a semblance, which man is on earth.The questions you were asking did not express any attempt to understand what was being said. The exact same types of questions can be produced ad infinitum as to question anything. I said "Some attributes of God were attributed to men being made in his image. Other's are not." This is a truism for every interpretation of man being made in God's image.
What isn't a truism is that God consists of 3 persons. There wouldn't be a reason why God couldn't create man to mimic that.
With no reason why. The trinity isn't a truism.DoctrinesofGraceBapt said:
What are the attributes of God along with which attributes are attributed to men and which are not is hotly debated, but that there is disagreement on such doesn't touch the truism. I also said "Being three persons is not one of those attributes that are given to men."
But, you haven't clarified why the trinity is a truism.DoctrinesofGraceBapt said:
That's my application of this truism to your question. Without any further clarification from you, such fully answers your question.
You're still not explaining why man can't be 3, nor why the trinity is real.DoctrinesofGraceBapt said:
If you think my application is unreasonable, then you have to provide your reasoning. This is true no matter how I would answer your questions. That's why those questions in this context express an attempt to over analyze the minutia of situation before understanding what I'm saying.
But true God doesn't stop being God. He doesn't change.
So, you contradict that 3 persons in the godhead are God. Your assertion that the trinity consists of 3 persons as God is not a truism nor attribute. Do you see that?DoctrinesofGraceBapt said:
In that situation, what would his relationship as man be to the other members of the Godhead? Answer, as a creature.
But you argue Jesus is both. So, the fact he worshipped the Father shows he isn't the God. You can't get around this.DoctrinesofGraceBapt said:
Therefore, worship is expected as man; while as God, it's expected God worships no one and bows to no one.
But, Jesus wasn't truly God on earth, nor does God's perfect image entail humanity.
If he is both God and man he is a hybrid, therefore neither God nor man. You have to make up your mind.God The Son BECAME a Man, known as Jesus Christ, who is BOTH God and Man.
God is not a man, is he? Remember each person is God by himself. So one of your Gods became a man which is contrary to scripture. But he remained God and died as a man. How is that?. You have a God that died because you believe a man cannot die for your sins. But you believe that God cannot die since God is immortal. So who died for your sins a man or God?Did I say Jesus stopped being God too when he became man?
WrongNo mention of a God the Son in the scripture. If your so-called God the son was a man then he is not God. He was a man.
No, it shows that the writers are aware they are saying three Gods so they violate logic by saying ... Yet there are not three Gods. I am nor misinterpreting anything... The Athanasian creed must abide by the scripture not the other way around. They say three Gods then tell me ,yet there are not three. It is clear those are their words. Each by himself is God and Lord.No, that the Athanasian creed says "Thus the Father is God, the Son is God, the Holy Spirit is God. Yet there are not three gods; there is but one God." proves that you are misinterpreting the Athanasian creed when you say it's teaching three Gods.
How am I misinterpreting ...Each person by himself is God? Please explain what each person by himself is God means?DoctrinesofGraceBapt said:
That Creed states "But the divinity of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is one," proves you are misinterpreting it.
No, I am not. Are you saying that, 19. For like as we are compelled by the Christian verity to acknowledge every Person by himself to be God and Lord;...means that one must acknowledge every person by himself as not God?DoctrinesofGraceBapt said:
I'm not overriding anything. I'm proving that you are misinterpreting line 19 of the Athanasian creed.
I never made that claim, did I? So it is a strawman.DoctrinesofGraceBapt said:
Yes we will judge Angels, does that mean every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Newbirth is Lord, to the glory of God the Father? Nope,
Was the Sabbath made for man or was man made for the Sabbath? If the sabbath was made for me then why should i not have dominion over it?
In the same chapter please explain 11 Thus saith the Lord, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker, Ask me of things to come concerning my sons, and concerning the work of my hands command ye me.DoctrinesofGraceBapt said:
BTW in Isaiah 45:23, God says "By myself I have sworn; from my mouth has gone out in righteousness a word that shall not return: ‘To me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear allegiance.'", and Paul attributes that to Jesus. Paul, referencing a multi-chapter diatribe on the Greatness and Uniqueness of YHWH, attributes such to Jesus. That's argumbly the one of the strongest Biblical evidences for Jesus being God that there can be, and you attribute such to men. That's Blasphemy, pure and simply. Good luck with such beliefs.
Who is the Maker of the Holy One of Israel?
God is not a man, is he?Did I say Jesus stopped being God too when he became man?
Remember each person is God by himself. So one of your Gods became a man which is contrary to scripture. But he remained God and died as a man. How is that?. You have a God that died because you believe a man cannot die for your sins. But you believe that God cannot die since God is immortal. So who died for your sins a man or God?
The Bible, which says Jesus Christ is God and Man, made up my mind many years ago.If he is both God and man he is a hybrid, therefore neither God nor man. You have to make up your mind.