Does God love everyone ?

It’s called free will . God does not take people by force against their will . I will gladly interact with you and your questions.
He saves those people on whom He has mercy. He didn't force me to be saved. He enabled me. There's a HUGE difference.

Fancy the Arminian praying...

"Lord, I thank Thee I am not like those poor Calvinists. Lord, I was born with a glorious free-will; I was born with power by which I can turn to Thee of myself; I have improved my grace. If everybody had done the same with their grace, they might have all been saved. Lord, I know that Thou dost not make us willing if we are not willing ourselves. Thou givest grace to everybody; some do not improve it, but I do..."
C. H. Spurgeon.

That "free will" didn't save my five siblings or my parents. How does "free will" save anyone?
 
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God did not plan the fall, and did not force adam to sin and lose paradise.

Adam disobeyed.
Adam brought sin to all mankind. I believe God knew what was going to happen. He had already planned to redeem the elect. He is not a dummy sitting around to see what will happen.
 
In the past two decades have witnessed a resurgence of Calvinism among American evangelicals. This resurgence is especially evident within the Southern Baptist Convention, which historically has been and still is divided over the issue. However, it has also made its presence felt in Pentecostal denominations such as the Assemblies of God, which do not have historic ties to Calvinism.


By Calvinism, I mean specifically the doctrine of salvation that is commonly explained by means of the acronym, TULIP:


  • T = Total depravity
  • U = Unconditional election
  • L = Limited atonement
  • I = Irresistible grace
  • P = Perseverance of the saints

In the seventeenth century, Jacob Arminius—a Dutch Reformed theologian—set forth a different understanding of salvation that has been called Arminianism after him. It is sometimes explained by means of the acronym, FACTS:


  • F = Freed by grace to believe
  • A = Atonement for all
  • C = Conditional election
  • T = Total depravity
  • S = Security in Christ

In Does God Love Everyone? Jerry L. Walls—an evangelical philosopher—outlines an argument against Calvinism and for Arminianism. Its strength is that it focuses on the central point of the disagreement between them. Walls writes:


The deepest issue that divides Arminians and Calvinists is not the sovereignty of God, predestination, or the authority of the Bible. The deepest difference pertains to how we understand the character of God. Is God good in the sense that he deeply and sincerely loves all people?


According to Walls, the answer of Arminianism is “Yes.” The answer of Calvinism is “No.” As Calvinist author Arthur W. Pink put it in The Sovereignty of God: “When we say that God is sovereign in the exercise of His love, we mean that He loves whom he chooses. God does not love everybody…” Walls argues that Pink’s statement is characteristic of Calvinism, even if it’s stated with a bluntness uncharacteristic of most Calvinists.


A god who can save all but chooses not to is not the God whom the Bible reveals.​


To see why this is so, consider the argument Walls makes:


  1. God truly loves all persons.
  2. Not all persons will be saved.
  3. Truly to love someone is to desire their well-being and to promote their true flourishing as much as you properly can.
  4. The well-being and true flourishing of all persons is to be found in a right relationship with God, a saving relationship in which we love and obey him.
  5. God could give all persons “irresistible grace” and thereby determine all persons to freely accept a right relationship with himself and be saved.
  6. Therefore, all persons will be saved.

Clearly, this set of propositions contains a contradiction between 2 and 6. Both Calvinists and Arminians affirm 2, however. They’re not universalists, in other words. Similarly, both affirm 4.


So, how do they resolve the contradiction? Arminians do so by denying 5. They deny, in other words, that grace is irresistible.


Irresistible grace is part and parcel of Calvinism, however. It’s the I in TULIP. That means Calvinists must deny either 1 or 3. That is, they must deny either that “God truly loves all persons” or that “Truly to love someone is to desire their well-being and to promote their true flourishing as much as you properly can.” As noted above, Arthur W. Pink clearly denied 1. (Walls quotes Calvin himself to similar effect.)


Contemporary Calvinists rarely deny 1, however. Instead, they affirm that God truly loves all persons. For example, D. A. Carson affirms that God loves everyone in the sense that He exercises “providential love over all that he has made” and adopts a “salvific stance toward his fallen world.” However, Carson denies that God gives everyone the “particular, effective, selecting love toward his elect.” It’s hard to square this “love” for “all persons” with the definition of love in 3. A God who could but chooses not to bestow “particular, effective, selecting love” on everyone does not “truly” love them because He does not seek their eternal “well-being” and “true flourishing.”


Walls suggests one further wrinkle when he discusses John Piper, probably the best known Baptist Calvinist. Walls argues that Piper denies 5, not by ditching “irresistible grace” but by suggesting that God has a “greater value” than salvation. Such as what? Piper writes, “The answer the Reformed give is that the greater value is the manifestation of the full range of God’s glory in wrath and mercy (Rom. 9:21–23) and the humbling of man so he enjoys giving all credit to God for his salvation (1 Cor. 1:29).” Because of this “greater value,” it seems that Piper denies God “could give all persons ‘irresistible grace’ [to be saved].” Some evidently must be condemned for God’s glory.

In order to maintain God’s sovereignty in election then, or to promote God’s glory, Calvinism denies that God loves everyone in the truest sense. Like Walls, I find this denial difficult to swallow. A god who can save all but chooses not to is not the God whom the Bible reveals, a God who is love (1 John 4:8).

Walls’ book is a brief outline of a much larger argument. Those looking for a more detailed argument should pick up his Why I Am Not a Calvinist, coauthored with Joseph R. Dongell. But that argument, even in outline form here, is difficult to rebut, as far as I am concerned.

Book Reviewed: Jerry L. Walls, Does God Love Everyone? The Heart of What Is Wrong with Calvinism (Eugene, OR: Cascade, 2016).
Jerry Walls is a weak link in the anti cal chain. If this is your resource you should re-examine your ideas.
Just look at this questioning of God's wisdom. It is shameful.
 
This is a contradictory critique.

He criticizes calvinists for the exact same idea that arminians hold to.

Namely that god who can save all but chooses not to.

arminians believe this exact same thing.
God cannot save all.
He has determined to save a multitude that no man can number.
Why would you even begin to suggest that God did not act perfectly in determining exactly who to save.
 
In the past two decades have witnessed a resurgence of Calvinism among American evangelicals. This resurgence is especially evident within the Southern Baptist Convention, which historically has been and still is divided over the issue. However, it has also made its presence felt in Pentecostal denominations such as the Assemblies of God, which do not have historic ties to Calvinism.


By Calvinism, I mean specifically the doctrine of salvation that is commonly explained by means of the acronym, TULIP:


  • T = Total depravity
  • U = Unconditional election
  • L = Limited atonement
  • I = Irresistible grace
  • P = Perseverance of the saints

In the seventeenth century, Jacob Arminius—a Dutch Reformed theologian—set forth a different understanding of salvation that has been called Arminianism after him. It is sometimes explained by means of the acronym, FACTS:


  • F = Freed by grace to believe
  • A = Atonement for all
  • C = Conditional election
  • T = Total depravity
  • S = Security in Christ

In Does God Love Everyone? Jerry L. Walls—an evangelical philosopher—outlines an argument against Calvinism and for Arminianism. Its strength is that it focuses on the central point of the disagreement between them. Walls writes:


The deepest issue that divides Arminians and Calvinists is not the sovereignty of God, predestination, or the authority of the Bible. The deepest difference pertains to how we understand the character of God. Is God good in the sense that he deeply and sincerely loves all people?


According to Walls, the answer of Arminianism is “Yes.” The answer of Calvinism is “No.” As Calvinist author Arthur W. Pink put it in The Sovereignty of God: “When we say that God is sovereign in the exercise of His love, we mean that He loves whom he chooses. God does not love everybody…” Walls argues that Pink’s statement is characteristic of Calvinism, even if it’s stated with a bluntness uncharacteristic of most Calvinists.


A god who can save all but chooses not to is not the God whom the Bible reveals.​


To see why this is so, consider the argument Walls makes:


  1. God truly loves all persons.
  2. Not all persons will be saved.
  3. Truly to love someone is to desire their well-being and to promote their true flourishing as much as you properly can.
  4. The well-being and true flourishing of all persons is to be found in a right relationship with God, a saving relationship in which we love and obey him.
  5. God could give all persons “irresistible grace” and thereby determine all persons to freely accept a right relationship with himself and be saved.
  6. Therefore, all persons will be saved.

Clearly, this set of propositions contains a contradiction between 2 and 6. Both Calvinists and Arminians affirm 2, however. They’re not universalists, in other words. Similarly, both affirm 4.


So, how do they resolve the contradiction? Arminians do so by denying 5. They deny, in other words, that grace is irresistible.


Irresistible grace is part and parcel of Calvinism, however. It’s the I in TULIP. That means Calvinists must deny either 1 or 3. That is, they must deny either that “God truly loves all persons” or that “Truly to love someone is to desire their well-being and to promote their true flourishing as much as you properly can.” As noted above, Arthur W. Pink clearly denied 1. (Walls quotes Calvin himself to similar effect.)


Contemporary Calvinists rarely deny 1, however. Instead, they affirm that God truly loves all persons. For example, D. A. Carson affirms that God loves everyone in the sense that He exercises “providential love over all that he has made” and adopts a “salvific stance toward his fallen world.” However, Carson denies that God gives everyone the “particular, effective, selecting love toward his elect.” It’s hard to square this “love” for “all persons” with the definition of love in 3. A God who could but chooses not to bestow “particular, effective, selecting love” on everyone does not “truly” love them because He does not seek their eternal “well-being” and “true flourishing.”


Walls suggests one further wrinkle when he discusses John Piper, probably the best known Baptist Calvinist. Walls argues that Piper denies 5, not by ditching “irresistible grace” but by suggesting that God has a “greater value” than salvation. Such as what? Piper writes, “The answer the Reformed give is that the greater value is the manifestation of the full range of God’s glory in wrath and mercy (Rom. 9:21–23) and the humbling of man so he enjoys giving all credit to God for his salvation (1 Cor. 1:29).” Because of this “greater value,” it seems that Piper denies God “could give all persons ‘irresistible grace’ [to be saved].” Some evidently must be condemned for God’s glory.

In order to maintain God’s sovereignty in election then, or to promote God’s glory, Calvinism denies that God loves everyone in the truest sense. Like Walls, I find this denial difficult to swallow. A god who can save all but chooses not to is not the God whom the Bible reveals, a God who is love (1 John 4:8).

Walls’ book is a brief outline of a much larger argument. Those looking for a more detailed argument should pick up his Why I Am Not a Calvinist, coauthored with Joseph R. Dongell. But that argument, even in outline form here, is difficult to rebut, as far as I am concerned.

Book Reviewed: Jerry L. Walls, Does God Love Everyone? The Heart of What Is Wrong with Calvinism (Eugene, OR: Cascade, 2016).

Because of the close connection between the love of God and the atonement, to limit the atonement is to limit God’s love for fallen man. Consistent Calvinists even state that God does not love everyone. Only the “elect”. And He only opens the eyes of the elect so they alone can actually exercise faith and believe. Thats limiting what God can do and who He can love.

God shows Himself to be reconciled to the whole world, when he invites all men without exception to the faith of Christ, which is nothing else than an entrance into life. For Christ is made known and held out to the view of all. Not to the elect alone but all whose eyes he opens, that they may seek him by faith or reject Him.
 
the elect are
the candidates, 144k, to be restored to paradise at the change
and restored to the original body man had in paradise
(and that original is not at all the current ape body man has)


many are invited but not all show up


God knows who they are and
always has…

they are of eden and are going home..
… saved from this satanic world..

which Christ made possible for us to be saved from.
 
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after their change the 144k will return
and, with Christ, witness on this earth
during tribulation to the left behind
and many more too many to count
will be saved from here and brought to paradise
 
in paradise with God
will be the 144k
those saints who died in previous times
believers left behind during tribulation, see last post

and all will receive their glorified being
…restored to our promised land .. paradise
 
Because of the close connection between the love of God and the atonement, to limit the atonement is to limit God’s love for fallen man.

Well, maybe God HAS limited His love for fallen man.


Consistent Calvinists even state that God does not love everyone. Only the “elect”.

Let's try looking semi-unbiased, shall we?
Calvinists readily acknowledge that God loves EVERYONE. God sends rain on the just and the unjust alike.
But we believe God doesn't SALVIFICALLY love everyone. There are different kinds of love. We acknowledge that for humans, why not for God?

Seriously, I have mixed feelings about your side constantly misrepresenting what we believe, especially since you should KNOW better. I honestly believe it's going to destroy your credibility to the lurkers, when they see you doing it over and over. And I'm kind of OK with that.

And He only opens the eyes of the elect so they alone can actually exercise faith and believe. Thats limiting what God can do and who He can love.

Again, you're not being reasonable. We're not the ones "limiting" God. We simply observe and recognize that GOD is limiting Himself. And it's perfectly okay for Him to do that.

God shows Himself to be reconciled to the whole world, when he invites all men without exception to the faith of Christ,

Where does the Bible speak of the gospel as an "invitation"?
And where do you see the phrase, "all men without exception"?
 
Because of the close connection between the love of God and the atonement, to limit the atonement is to limit God’s love for fallen man. Consistent Calvinists even state that God does not love everyone. Only the “elect”. And He only opens the eyes of the elect so they alone can actually exercise faith and believe. Thats limiting what God can do and who He can love.

God shows Himself to be reconciled to the whole world, when he invites all men without exception to the faith of Christ, which is nothing else than an entrance into life. For Christ is made known and held out to the view of all. Not to the elect alone but all whose eyes he opens, that they may seek him by faith or reject Him.
No human on earth can limit God, but Arminians think they can. All whose eyes He opens? He doesn't open all eyes! I just explained that I had two parents and five siblings who never came to Christ and probably didn't know what you're saying.
 
God opened eyes to see and recognize the resurrected Christ. “And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight.” Luke 24:31 God can open the eyes for people to understand His Word and other spiritual things.

The way the apostle Paul puts it is that you must have “the eyes of your hearts enlightened, that you may know” (Ephesians 1:18). This too is strange — the heart has eyes! But perhaps not beyond comprehension.
 
God opened eyes to see and recognize the resurrected Christ. “And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight.” Luke 24:31 God can open the eyes for people to understand His Word and other spiritual things.

The way the apostle Paul puts it is that you must have “the eyes of your hearts enlightened, that you may know” (Ephesians 1:18). This too is strange — the heart has eyes! But perhaps not beyond comprehension.
The eyes of the whole world were not opened and neither were the eyes of my family members.
 
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