romishpopishorganist
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Except that it isn't unavoidable, regrettable collateral damage. It is perfectly avoidable. All the woman has to do is--NOT have an abortion. Then, her child does not have to die.You have it the wrong way round. If they do not want to be pregnant, then they can have an abortion. The aim of abortion is to end the pregnancy. The death of the unborn child is what the American military would call unavoidable and regrettable collateral damage.
How is this entirely unavoidable?
As the poster above said----the new life within the woman trumps her right to sovereignty. As you have pointed out yourself: the right to bodily autonomy and sovereignty is not absolute. The government may infringe on bodily autonomy and sovereignty for the good of society as a whole. One example of this necessary infringement is in mandating vaccines. And I have no problem with vaccine mandates-precisely becasue---no right is absolute. Protecting rights is always a balancing act between individual vs society at large.
Another example of this infringement comes with anti-prostitution laws. The government tells women that though they have bodily autonomy and sovereignty over their body, they may NOT sell their body for sex. This, despite the woman's belief that she can best make money in doing so. The government has decided that prostitution is bad, whatever the woman thinks and so violates her sovereignty with said laws.
Yet still another example of this infringement comes with anti-drug laws. Woman may not put drugs into their body. The government has decided doing so is bad--and so outlaws drug use.
Even still another example is in gun restrictions. Some liberal state governments have decided that the right of a woman to choose to keep and bear arms for the purposes of self defense must take a back seat to the overall right of the government to ban guns becasue for some reason, legal gun ownership for the purposes of self defense is bad. Legal gun ownership causes people to commit mass killings. Legal gun ownership for the purposes of self defense is the reason mass killings with guns are happening. This, even when a woman wants to choose to keep and bear arms to defend her rights.
Want still more examples? In liberal states, government has decided that the right of a woman to choose which school to send her children takes a back seat. Women may not use their tax dollars and choose schools. For that matter, women may not even choose which public schools to send their children. Government will tell her where to send her children. If she doesn't like it and is wealthy, and can afford private education, only then may she have school choice.
So government violates sovereignty all the time and I hear no complaints from liberals.
All you have to do is apply the exact same logic to abortion. Women DO have the right to bodily autonomy and sovereignty----as long as----it involves ONLY the woman and no one else. The woman's right to bodily autonomy and sovereignty stops once she is pregnant becasue she is carrying another life. The issue isn't her body, but what she wants to do to someone else's body. Thus, the government in that case limits her bodily autonomy.
If we get to mandate vaccines for the good of society, we get to outlaw abortion for much the same reason.
The solution to pregnancy is simple: if you do not want to be pregnant, do not get pregnant! This isn't rocket science, but for you it seems so. Not getting pregnant is like asking a woman to cut off her right arm for you for some reason.
And once again, you prove my point: liberals only seem to care about sovereignty when it concerns the Sacrament of abortion. "Choice" means "The right to murder your off-spring." Outside of that---liberals don't seem to care much about "choice" "sovereignty" or "bodily autonomy."
Why not just drop the euphemisms and say "I stand for abortion. I support abortion." What is do hard about that? Why not just admit what you are for? Why can't you just say the words "I love abortion. I stand for abortion. I am proud to stand for abortion!" Just say it! At least then--you are being honest.
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