same for me. see my last post -1741
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I know. Then the poster implies it is us.
no, it was your post. i got the same thing balshan got.
none that aren't supported by writings in NT time by the apostles / disciples.
Blessings8
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more likely that they did feel God - drawing them away from the rcc.
why? do you think all of those that catholics call 'protestant' are believers? many are not - they probably like all the made up idols, rituals and pomp made up by rcc men. they don't know scripture anymore than catholics do.
I wouldn't consider them Bible scholars. a lot of catholics have degrees and titles too. the world is full of them.
which shows that they don't know Him.
so false teachers claim. would you expect them to claim that they're a false teacher?
not that isn't supported by scripture.
Too bad that the RCC and their followers never learned one of my granny's proverbs: "One rotten apple spoils the barrel." A variation on St. Paul’s "A little leaven leaves the whole lump."
(I have made bread, and it takes maybe a quarter ounce of yeast to leaven 2 pounds of flour - less than 1%by weight. And what does yeast do? It gives off carbon dioxide and a bad smell! ?)
--Rich
"Esse quam videri"
Bonnie
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Not necessarily. I know an ex-Catholic in our last church who left that church, and joined ours. The RCC scandal over priest pedophilia and its cover up of it for so many years was what set her in motion to question her church. She was in her 50's. My husband sat in sessions with her, going over the differences between the RCC teachings and the LCMS's teachings, showing her bible verses that confirmed our beliefs and did NOT confirm the RCC's. She is much happier in our church, since she knows she is truly saved and it is on account of what Jesus did for her on the cross and not on account of her jumping through RCC
"hoops".
I have read of a few. But the idea that all ex-Catholics left your church because they couldn't get an annulment or were mistreated by a nun is false and foolish.
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Bonnie
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Sure makes for great bread, though! ? And baking yeast bread smells wonderful! But I get what you are saying. Doesn't take much to make false doctrines spread in a church, does it? Jesus, Paul, and Peter all warned us that this would happen.
Bonnie
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Where does it say we DO need human traditions? The "traditions" that are mentioned in the NT are the teachings of the Apostles, which we know come straight from Jesus Christ. They are not man-made. So, why would we "need' man-made traditions?
Now, some traditions are just fine, so long as their intent is to point us to Christ Jesus and the word of God--like following a liturgical year, as both our churches do. Other things are adiaphora--neither commanded nor forbidden. Like ministers wearing albs. Ladies wearing nice slacks in church. How many times we have Holy Communion, since it isn't specified in the NT. What musical instruments are used in church services....things like that.
This is a portion of a British TV show, that happened to be shown on Youtube. That is all. But those in your church did this to Mary, dressing up a statue in a gaudy costume and parading it about the streets, with people weeping over the sight of it, staring adoringly at it....I would be more likely to puke, were I there...
A mere statue! Catholics DO pray to her as one would pray to God, for help, salvation, comfort, solace. Your church even calls her the "Only hope for sinners" making Jesus so much chopped liver. Did you not read that execrable prayer I posted on here a couple of months ago, the prayer to "Our Lady of perpetual help"? It is...vile. There is no plea in there for intercession, just pleas for help, salvation, to save one from the wrath of her Son....as if she could save anyone! She isn't God. So, why pray to her as if she WERE?
? - Marian Prayers--Catholics try to tell us that prayers to Mary are asking her to intercede for us
...with Jesus Christ. It isn't necessary to pray to Mary, we are told, but deemed helpful. But many of the Marian prayers I have read are blatant idolatry, pleading to Mary to do what only God in Christ Jesus does--to help us, save us, make us more devoted to her immaculate heart, and even save...
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We can love, honor, and respect Mary as the wonderful, humble mother of our Lord in His Incarnation, but beyond that NO ONE SHOULD GO. We can do all of this without praying to her, ascribing powers and glories to her that belong only to her Son, and parading statues of her throughout the streets, with people weeping all over the place over a silly, foolish statue!
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I know my husband bakes. I have made bread and you are right you do not need much yeast at all.
They like to justify why people leave the RCC, they cannot understand that it is the bad fruit and the HS that take a person out of the bad tree. They like to cover up the truth as to why people leave, it is the RC way. Coverup real history, cover up the various scandals, cover up the sin of their leaders, cover up people finding the truth and leaving.
As an RC we are brought up to believe we do not worship Mary and even though we do the same things when praying to Mary or Jesus they are different. One is worship and one is reverence.
I always wondered how is it different? Do we step over an invisible line that we cannot see. It looks the same, we are doing the same thing. How does one know? Yep it looks the same, smells the same and God is not fooled by the hula dula thingy.
if that's all it took for a catholic to leave the rcc then there wasn't much in the rcc worth staying part of it.
Fig leaves. That's all the world has; all that it can imagine. "I know what I should be, but I'm not, so to cover up my wrongdoing, I will deny the wrongdoings exist." Kinda like our cat in the litter box – no matter how hard it tries to cover its mess, it still stinks to high heaven!
--Rich
"Esse quam videri"
A new day
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Interestingly, reverence is a synonym for the word "worship", so is venerate and adoration. Venerate is latin for "worship" and specifically aimed at giving a deity ultra adoration and praise. I have been told before.... no , no we don't worship mary, we venerate her. But when you look at the root meaning of venerate you get "to reverence, worship,". The meaning and definition hasn't changed.
Yup, the different words the rcc uses for levels of reverence, still come back full stop to "worship of a deity". They let the leaders do the thinking for them, instead of the laity, using the brains, and common sense God gave each one of us. People when they first start those mary and saint prayers, get the sense at the beginning that something is wrong, but get talked into continuing to go against their consciences, until their consciences have been seared, and they no longer sense the difference.
See I discovered this about maybe 5 or so yrs ago, looking for something else online, when I came across multiple of web pages from priests who talked about this and admitted that they got the impression at the start of their priesthood. But then those above them told them to continue so the nagging voice that told them that praying to mary was wrong would go away.
Bonnie
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You know, I suspected the bolded stuff all along. I have read of some who became Mormons or JWs as adult balked at some of their doctrines at the beginning, but figured it was their fault they felt that way, and put it on the shelf, so to speak. They had to tamp down their unease about it, in order to be accepted. So, the same must happen to some who become Catholics.
Bonnie
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That means you need to clean out the kitty box real quickly!
Bonnie
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She may have had doubts before this. Her husband was a lifelong LCMS Lutheran and the went to their respective churches, but may have exchanged ideas. I never asked her. But I think the pedophile priest scandal and cover up was the last straw for her.