Does John 17:12 imply that Judas lost his salvation

Nope - those WHO DIED IN FAITH (that God would provide a way) went to "Abraham's Bosom" - to WAIT until the provision for them would be made on Calvary - thousands of years (for some) in the future. It's all in the Bible.
John's baptism was "for the remission of sins" (salvation) but it took place before Christ shed His blood. This must mean those baptized with John's baptism had their sins remitted in promise, had salvation in promise looking toward to when Christ did shed His blood then their sins were remitted.
So those under the OT law before Christ shed His blood possessed salvation in promise looking toward Calvary. Since God cannot lie and break His promises, those who lived faithfully under the OT law, their salvation was just as certain as those today who live faithfully after Calvary.
 
You are to love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, and mind, and you are to love your neighbor as yourself ... on thisr commandmentsvrest all the law and the prophets ... Mt 22:40.

You have NEVER been obedient to those two commandments


Then you are not saved, Gomer (see above.)
The Bible equates loving God to obeying God Jn 14:15. I am not perfectly sinless but God does not require perfect sinless obedience but a simple faithful obedience.
 
The elect -- those given eternal life by Jesus Jn 10:28.
The context does not allow for one to be of the elect apart from one CONDITIONALLY being a sheep of Christ in CONDITIONALLY hearing and following Christ.
Those not given eternal life by Jesus will perish. Pray you're not one of them.
Those that never heard or followed Christ will not be saved.
Those who were once saved by hearing and following Christ but became unfaithful having quit hearing and following Christ will not be saved.
Only those who start and faithfully continue till death in hearing and following Christ will be saved.
 
I wouldn't exactly say they were "lost" because they had God's promise of a Christ (Messiah) to guide them. The important thing is that with the advent of the Cross, all OT Saints are now saved. There is no other way to be saved than through the Cross and OT Saints are no different.
Those who lived faithfully and obediently to God under the OT law had the promise of salvation. When Christ did die, His blood flowed backwards and washed away the sins of those who CONDITIONALLY lived faithfully to God under that 'first testament', Heb 9:15. Therefore salvation has always been CONDITIONAL upon man's obedience to God, salvation to anyone is not an unconditional promise no matter how one lives.
 
TOTALLY WRONG!!! Johns Baptism was a baptism of "Repentance".

It'a also OLD TESTAMENT, so there WAS NO CLEANSING OF SIN - yet.
Mark 1:4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.

But as I noted John's baptism occurred BEFORE Christ shed His blood so those baptized with John's baptism, the remission of their sins must have been in promise looking forward to Calvary.
"IF" those who were baptized with John's baptism CONDITIONALLY maintained a repentant life, then they had their sins remitted when Christ did shed his blood at Calvary. Those that did not maintain a repentant life, then their sins were not remitted when Christ shed His blood.
Again, salvation, even the promise of salvation, is CONDITIONAL upon living a faithful, obedient life.
 
SO - salvation by WORKS, and NOT by FAITH???
Salvation by obedience to God's will, not by works of merit.

Do you understand that obedience to God's will and works of merit are NOT the same thing??
Does Heb 5:9 say Christ is the Author of salvation unto all them that have works of merit?
 
Salvation by obedience to God's will, not by works of merit.

Do you understand that obedience to God's will and works of merit are NOT the same thing??
Does Heb 5:9 say Christ is the Author of salvation unto all them that have works of merit?
Hair splitting. SO you teach that Salvation is BY WORKS, and not by FAITH, and Eph 2:8,9 is a lie.
 
The Bible equates loving God to obeying God Jn 14:15. I am not perfectly sinless but God does not require perfect sinless obedience but a simple faithful obedience.
I'm all for encouraging obedience to God. However that is not how one is saved. One is saved by Christ's obedience and righteousness.
 
The context does not allow for one to be of the elect apart from one CONDITIONALLY being a sheep of Christ in CONDITIONALLY hearing and following Christ.
It's called election, aka: God's choice.

Those that never heard or followed Christ will not be saved.
Ex 33:19; Rom 9:15-16. God owes salvati9n to no one; thetefore, He owes no one a hearing of the Gospel.

Those who were once saved by hearing and following Christ but became unfaithful having quit hearing and following Christ will not be saved.
No one who has been saved will EVER PERISH (Jn 10:27-28).

Only those who start and faithfully continue till death in hearing and following Christ will be saved.
His sheep only are given etrrnal life (Jn 10:27-28).
 
Hair splitting. SO you teach that Salvation is BY WORKS, and not by FAITH, and Eph 2:8,9 is a lie.
1) Eph 2:8,9 does not say by faith alone.
2) Read Rom 2:7 to see Paul's connection between good work and everlasting life:

Rom 2:7 "indeed to those who with patience in good work are seeking for glory, and honor, and incorruptibility, everlasting life."
 
1) Eph 2:8,9 does not say by faith alone.
2) Read Rom 2:7 to see Paul's connection between good work and everlasting life:

Rom 2:7 "indeed to those who with patience in good work are seeking for glory, and honor, and incorruptibility, everlasting life."
Yes faith must be accompanied by works otherwise its a dead faith as Paul and James confirm in their writings.
 
1) Eph 2:8,9 does not say by faith alone.
2) Read Rom 2:7 to see Paul's connection between good work and everlasting life:

Rom 2:7 "indeed to those who with patience in good work are seeking for glory, and honor, and incorruptibility, everlasting life."
SO YOU DARE to mix your "works" with Jesus' perfect work to merit salvation.
 
1) Eph 2:8,9 does not say by faith alone.

He said we are saved:
"by grace";
"through faith";
"not by works";

What's left to be added to faith?

2) Read Rom 2:7 to see Paul's connection between good work and everlasting life:

Rom 2:7 "indeed to those who with patience in good work are seeking for glory, and honor, and incorruptibility, everlasting life."

Two things...
Yes, this was in in connection with the Mosaic Law, and if you would continue reading to chapter three, you will see how well THAT worked out:

Rom. 3:19 Now we know that whatever the law says it speaks to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be stopped, and the whole world may be held accountable to God. 20 For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin.

But if you REALLY want to learn Paul's view, you're in luck. But you need to KEEP reading:

Rom. 4:1 What then shall we say was gained by Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness.” 4 Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due. 5 And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness, 6 just as David also speaks of the blessing of the one to whom God counts righteousness apart from works:

Rom. 11:5 So too at the present time there is a remnant, chosen by grace. 6 But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works; otherwise grace would no longer be grace.
 
He said we are saved:
"by grace";
"through faith";
"not by works";

What's left to be added to faith?
You forgot "Good works".

Read Rom 2:7 to see Paul's connection between good work and everlasting life:

Rom 2:7 "indeed to those who with patience in good work are seeking for glory, and honor, and incorruptibility, everlasting life."

Works of the Law do not produce everlasting life. Calvinism has a problem here.
Two things...
Yes, this was in in connection with the Mosaic Law, and if you would continue reading to chapter three, you will see how well THAT worked out:
Where do you see "works of the law" in Rom 2:7? I don't.

Rom 2:7 "indeed to those who with patience in good work are seeking for glory, and honor, and incorruptibility, everlasting life."
Rom. 3:19 Now we know that whatever the law says it speaks to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be stopped, and the whole world may be held accountable to God. 20 For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin.

But if you REALLY want to learn Paul's view, you're in luck. But you need to KEEP reading:

Rom. 4:1 What then shall we say was gained by Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness.” 4 Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due. 5 And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness, 6 just as David also speaks of the blessing of the one to whom God counts righteousness apart from works:

Rom. 11:5 So too at the present time there is a remnant, chosen by grace. 6 But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works; otherwise grace would no longer be grace.
I see no "Good Works" anywhere in the above passages. These are either "works of the law" or works only passages. Everthing is perfectly aligned with Arminianism.
 
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