God the Son or God the son?

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Oneness teaches the son is the Father, AKA, "God the son".

Trinity teaches the 2nd person of a trinity is "God the Son".

The RCC has duped the both of them into believing in a so-called "hypostatic union" that they made up centuries later, and the 2 groups are arguing about it's terminology today.

She owns them both.

They are Catholics in doctrine.

Bummer.
 
They are Catholics in doctrine.

Bummer.
Contrariwise, Roman Catholicism purported to excommuciate Sabellianism by labelling it heretical; but there are various forms of Sabellianism, and it seems RCC and Oneness embrace deviant forms of Sabellianism, without really understanding it.

The deviant form is where the Son and Father appear initially distinct, but where the Son usurps the place of the Father, and then marries his mother: this form of Trinity, deriving from fertility worship and pagan cults, was articulated by Alexander Hislop in the "Two Babylons", where (pagan) father gods beget (pagan) son gods, which usurp the place of the father gods and marry their mother.

Amongst the more extreme proponents of the RC tradition, Mary was deemed to be married to God, whilst Joseph wasn't construed as her legitimate husband; and so she didn't consumate her marriage with him, which was a human marriage of convenience only (actually many RCs believe in Mary's perpetual virginity). Amongst all forms of the RC tradition, Mary becomes queen of heaven, and so on a par with, and the de facto partner of, Christ, her son, the king of heaven. For Christ is imputed as God and the author of salvation after his resurrection, so taking his Father's place.

This heresy then is a de facto form of Sabellianism: the Son effectively taking the place of the Father as the author of salvation, and as the spouse of Mary. Oneness Pentecostals teach that Mary is the mother of God, and so she must also be Queen of Heaven. Such is equally offensive.
 
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Contrariwise, Roman Catholicism purported to excommuciate Sabellianism by labelling it heretical; but there are various forms of Sabellianism, and it seems RCC and Oneness embrace deviant forms of Sabellianism, without really understanding it.

The deviant form is where the Son and Father appear initially distinct, but where the Son usurps the place of the Father, and then marries his mother: this form of Trinity, deriving from fertility worship and pagan cults, was articulated by Alexander Hislop in the "Two Babylons", where (pagan) father gods beget (pagan) son gods, which usurp the place of the father gods and marry their mother.

Amongst the more extreme proponents of the RC tradition, Mary was deemed to be married to God, whilst Joseph wasn't construed as her legitimate husband; and so she didn't consumate her marriage with him, which was a human marriage of convenience only (actually many RCs believe in Mary's perpetual virginity). Amongst all forms of the RC tradition, Mary becomes queen of heaven, and so on a par with, and the de facto partner of, Christ, her son, the king of heaven. For Christ is imputed as God and the author of salvation after his resurrection, so taking his Father's place.

This heresy then is a de facto form of Sabellianism: the Son effectively taking the place of the Father as the author of salvation, and as the spouse of Mary. Oneness Pentecostals teach that Mary is the mother of God, and so she must also be Queen of Heaven. Such is equally offensive.
Oneness does not teach Mary is God's mother.

They teach the "flesh of God" aka, the humanity of God was Mary's doing.

It is incorrect as the trinitarian version of it also is, but it is relevant to the OP.

The trinitarians are similar, teaching the "2nd person" took on flesh via Mary.

Both versions are Roman Catholic in origin.
 
Oneness teaches the son is the Father, AKA, "God the son".

Trinity teaches the 2nd person of a trinity is "God the Son".

The RCC has duped the both of them into believing in a so-called "hypostatic union" that they made up centuries later, and the 2 groups are arguing about it's terminology today.

She owns them both.

They are Catholics in doctrine.

Bummer.
the Bible teaches God is the Son as well as the Son is God.
 
No, it teaches the son of God is fullly indwelled by all of what his God consists of, making him (his)God by default.
You continue to fail to understand the kenosis...and the role the Word that became flesh had while incarnated on planet earth.
 
You continue to fail to understand the kenosis...and the role the Word that became flesh had while incarnated on planet earth.
Was it God's lone created sperm cell or Mary's egg cell combined that became flesh?

As per, the 2nd persons sperm mated with a human egg?
 
Was it God's lone created sperm cell or Mary's egg cell combined that became flesh?

As per, the 2nd persons sperm mated with a human egg?
Don't know that answer. We know Mary was the mother and the Holy Spirit had a part in Marys pregnancy.

My original reply to your OP that you failed to address was "You continue to fail to understand the kenosis...and the role the Word that became flesh had while incarnated on planet earth."
 
He is incorrect.

The first protestant was the RCC in the 4th century.

They protested Acts 2:38 and all of her daughters, including trinitarians, Mormons, JW's etc are her daughters.

They all refuse this...

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.


...every last one of them.

They are under the demonic spell of the RCC.
 
Don't know that answer. We know Mary was the mother and the Holy Spirit had a part in Marys pregnancy.

My original reply to your OP that you failed to address was "You continue to fail to understand the kenosis...and the role the Word that became flesh had while incarnated on planet earth."
I think we spoke about your question in past conversations.

Simple answer...God's SPOKEN word was made flesh per Matt 1.

Not "Spirit became flesh" as you suppose it says.
 
I think we spoke about your question in past conversations.

Simple answer...God's SPOKEN word was made flesh per Matt 1.

Not "Spirit became flesh" as you suppose it says.
For being a "truther" you seem to miss a lot.

Now the birth of Jesus Christ took place in this way. When his mother Mary had been betrothed to Joseph, before they came together she was found to be with child from the Holy Spirit.

Secondly, you still seem to be avoiding the kenosis and the roll Jesus played
 
He is incorrect.

The first protestant was the RCC in the 4th century.

They protested Acts 2:38 and all of her daughters, including trinitarians, Mormons, JW's etc are her daughters.

They all refuse this...

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.


...every last one of them.

They are under the demonic spell of the RCC.
You're not makiny any sense. Could you speak more intelligibly, as I don't understand what you're saying.
 
For being a "truther" you seem to miss a lot.

Now the birth of Jesus Christ took place in this way. When his mother Mary had been betrothed to Joseph, before they came together she was found to be with child from the Holy Spirit.

Secondly, you still seem to be avoiding the kenosis and the roll Jesus played
Wait, was the Father the paternal father of the Jesus or was the Holy Ghost the paternal father of Jesus?

Both persons fathered Jesus?

Please explain.
 
You're not makiny any sense. Could you speak more intelligibly, as I don't understand what you're saying.
I will condense it...

The Roman Catholic Church protests Acts 2:38, Peter, and the 3000 at Pentecost, by not obeying it, and telling others not to obey it.

All other churches with only a few exceptions do the exact same thing.

All of them protest Acts 2.

They despise Acts 2:38.

They are united by the this protest.

This makes the RCC the queen of the TRUE protestants.

The so-called "protestants" are united with the RCC to ban Acts 2:38, so they just protest mama's small doctrines.
 
Wait, was the Father the paternal father of the Jesus or was the Holy Ghost the paternal father of Jesus?

Both persons fathered Jesus?

Please explain.
the Bible is silent....Jesus is the Son of God...whom both are God.

Perhaps you using the Bible can show all of us what happened.
 
the Bible is silent....Jesus is the Son of God...whom both are God.

Perhaps you using the Bible can show all of us what happened.
Is this an admission by the trinitarian community that Jesus just may have 2 Fathers?

Yep.

Fact is, Jesus was Fathered by God, the Father of creation, which is by definition, holy, and a Spirit... AKA , a Holy Spirit....AKA, the Holy Spirit.
 
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