Bonnie
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Jesus did not found the RCC, with its many false doctrines. He founded THE church--the rule of Jesus Christ in the heart of all true believers, regardless of denominational affiliation.
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About the "assumption of Mary"
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Yep and it is not the bad tree known as the RCC. Does the RCC look like:
eph 5:
26 to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, 27 and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless
It is holy, clean, radiant, without stain, wrinkle, blemish, holy and blameless. That does not describe your institution and nothing about being infallible. Your institution is stained, wrinkled and blemished etc. If ignores what should be done to leaders as set down in 1 Cor 5:11.
Eph 2:20+
Built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, in whom the whole structure, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord. In him you also are being built together into a dwelling place for God by the Spirit
Your institution is built on a foundation of wolves, false teachers and liars. The HS will never dwell where children are sexually assaulted.
Heb 10:24+
And let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works, not neglecting to meet together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another, and all the more as you see the Day drawing near.
Yes we saw the love and good works and encouragement shown to the victims of your institution. They were treated like criminals and when they went to court they had no support from your institution.
I could post more verse of what Jesus' church looks like but the one thing for sure is it does not have leaders who hide sin and allow the sheep to be harmed. That is your institution and not one verse that says it is infallible. Also it teaches the true gospel.
No the RCC is not spotless, it is not radiant, it is not without blemish, it has wrinkles and it is not holy etc. It produces bad fruit and scripture is clear it is only the bad tree that produces bad fruit.
You are not keeping up with the conversation and have made an attempt to divert off topic. Oh the RCC is like chicken little when it comes to the assumption. There is no evidence, no witness, just wishful thinking. The RCC says the sky is falling, Mary is floating into the heavens and all the little blind followers stop using their brains and go oh yes it is falling, oh yes she was assumed. No evidence required for the wrong belief at all.
look who you put 1st before Him! that's the catholic way. sadly for catholics listening to their 'church' is certainly not listening to Him. if it was they wouldn't be filled with all of those things that aren't found in scripture. and they'd know the answers for all of the questions they can't answer - such as, what is the gospel?
pilgrim
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The Church has God given authority over us. It makes rules for our own good. In a similar way, a parent has God given authority over his child. A mother or father can tell a child he must join the family for dinner or when his bedtime is or any other rule of the house and the child is obligated to do so or he sins against God as well as the parent, doesn't he? Does Scripture mention dinner with the family or bedtime or anything of that sort? No it doesn't. It doesn't have to. We are obligated to all rightful authority, including the Church, God has placed over us.
pilgrim
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He clearly didn't found any of the Protestant churches that came 1500 + years later. That narrows the options considerably.
pilgrim
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Where does it say "regardless of denominational affiliation" in Scripture? That is Protestant made up stuff along with denominations themselves. Manmade traditions!
rightful according to? not scripture, not God.
you have a perverted understanding of God if you think He is the One Who put over you those who teach contrary to His Own word. He didn't, so who did?
do you know of a verse that mentions - 'whosoever will '? He died so that 'whosoever will believe in and follow Him' might be saved.
He is who has authority over His children. It is sad that catholics have a fallible human in that position in their lives.
Your institution has nothing at all, it is the bad tree. It makes rules for its own greed, power and control and to keep the laity under its thumb. What parents allows children to be harmed, condones rape of others, condone murder, stealing etc. That is what your so called parent does and on top of that it teaches false doctrines. Scripture clearly mentions what to do with such leaders in 1 cor 5:11. It is ignored by the RCC.
He clearly didn't find an institution that would harm the flock, molest children, rape nuns, have children outside marriage, murder, torture etc. All are fruits of your leaders, these acts prove your institution was not founded by Jesus but is the bad tree.
Where does it say follow leaders who teach false doctrines, harm the flock, harm children, rape nuns that is what your institution does. It has man made doctrines and that is why it teaches another doctrine.
We ARE the church.
Man made doctrines are not for your own good.
Unscriptural nonsense.
If you want to follow an apostate religious organization that teaches as commandants,
Doctrines of men, knock yourself out.
I choose to follow Him.
Bonnie
Super Member
How do YOU know He didn't? What is taught in my church is far, far closer to what the early church taught than what YOUR church teaches today. I mean, can you show us from the Bible where Jesus or the Apostles taught these:
1. Purgatory
2. Indulgences
3. The 4 Marian Dogmas
4. Obeying Popes is necessary for salvation
5. Praying to saints dead in the Lord is permissible, especially to Mary
Show us these things taught in the NT from the Bible, if you please.
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bluedog1us
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That's what Jim Jones' followers said too!
leonard03782
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And the brach Davidians in Waco Texas among many, many others.
pilgrim
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Luke 10:19 “Behold, I have given you authority to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall hurt you.”
Romans 13:1
Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.
Heb 13:7 Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they are keeping watch over your souls, as those who will have to give an account. Let them do this with joy and not with groaning, for that would be of no advantage to you.
pilgrim
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So did the second coming of Christ happen already in 1517? No.
Jesus established His Church on Peter, NOT Luther,NOT Zwingli, NOT Calvin or any other human being.
And He did so for the sake of unity.
I would much rather be in that same Church than close to it, wouldn't you?
bluedog1us
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Only as long as they are within the guidelines of scripture. When they deviate from that, their authority means zilch. And your spiritual leaders have deviated from scripture about as far as is possible.