Such would be the anticipated deist response to all things concerning a supernatural faith.Twaddle
Such would be the anticipated deist response to all things concerning a supernatural faith.Twaddle
what a CHILSISH response........I don't have to try anything, as you haven't proved that ἐπίσκοπος could be held by a woman, or was ever held by a woman except in the heretical churches, e.g. of the Montanists and the Marcionites etc. What I will say to you, however, is unambiguous and beyond controversy:
Isa 3:12 "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths."
Here Isaiah is talking about the church. Who are children?
Heb 5:12 2For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat."
What is the very first principle of the oracles of God? The cursing of Satan: Gen 3:14-15
What is the second principle of the oracles of God? Gen 3:16 "Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee."
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So, a church that is ruled by woman, is also ruled by children. Such a church will be oppressed by all kinds of strange teaching, and will cause people to "err" and will "destroy the way of thy paths."
Given that I am a bishop in a sacramental church. Twaddle.Such would be the anticipated deist response to all things concerning a supernatural faith.
If faith is still a mystery to your church, it connotes deism.Given that I am a bishop in a sacramental church. Twaddle.
Your definition of faith requires the subjugation of women? I rather not have it then.If faith is still a mystery to your church, it connotes deism.
Alexander do not interfere I handle this doubter of the word the bible that does say women preach and verses are there and women can't be pastors but women can preach from the pulpit ! But Genez says not ! real men won't let women because women dominate and thier cowards he is A coward for saying that shameful thing to say. Real men want women to push and aren't shame if called girly or feminine if women preach women can't be pastors !
Genez stand down from your machist postion and check your privileges because you aint' got no right to say what women can't do and can do ! It shown there were women helping the gospel and we do not know in precise all the details but did thier part preaching helping the gospel is help preaching you got that ! I'm really getting irritated but not tired of all you Cjab trying to say women can't ! and Genez thinking God is man when he is A consuming fire and he uses femine thinsg like mother bear, mother eagles, a Hen and women giving birth to explain aprts of God's nature !
He came A man to save us but we know he is among us and God comes to earth in many forms in secret ! And he chooses to be A woman or man and he chosed A bear, fire, man, and women to represent his presence in this world for A secret but know this that women have the other part to push for him and we must help them preaching the word everywhere !
The divine order of creation is integral to faith. If you do not recognize this order, then you are substituting yourself in place of the divine.Your definition of faith requires the subjugation of women? I rather not have it then.
ERROR, this was in the HIOME and not at the Church.What was forbidden was a woman having *authority* over a man. Not forbidden to teach.
Nope. "Gen 1: ...26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”The divine order of creation is integral to faith. If you do not recognize this order, then you are substituting yourself in place of the divine.
Except that Paul did assert being a Roman citizen before Festus (Acts 25), and laid claim to his rights and obligations deriving thereof. So when Paul says "neither Jew nor Greek" he didn't mean, "neither Jew nor Greek" in the world, but "neither Jew nor Greek" in the kingdom of heaven.Nope. "Gen 1: ...26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”
27 So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.
28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”
Only in the redaction of this story in Genesis 2 is a hierarchy established. It does not exist here and Paul confirms it with his quote that there is in Christ neither male or female.
I agree with your writing. But what happens if men are not willing to set the example of spiritual leadership?It is normative for legitimate Christians. The scriptures deny what you say.
What does the Bible say about women pastors? | GotQuestions.org
What does the Bible say about women pastors? Does the Bible restrict a woman from serving as a pastor?www.gotquestions.org
There is perhaps no more hotly debated issue in the church today than the issue of women serving as pastors. As a result, it is very important to not see this issue as men versus women. There are women who believe women should not serve as pastors and that the Bible places restrictions on the ministry of women, and there are men who believe women can serve as pastors and that there are no restrictions on women in ministry. This is not an issue of chauvinism or discrimination. It is an issue of biblical interpretation.
The Word of God proclaims, “A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent” (1 Timothy 2:11–12). In the church, God assigns different roles to men and women. This is a result of the way mankind was created and the way in which sin entered the world (1 Timothy 2:13–14). God, through the apostle Paul, restricts women from serving in roles of teaching and/or having spiritual authority over men. This precludes women from serving as pastors over men, which definitely includes preaching to them, teaching them publicly, and exercising spiritual authority over them.
There are many objections to this view of women in pastoral ministry. A common one is that Paul restricts women from teaching because in the first century, women were typically uneducated. However, 1 Timothy 2:11–14 nowhere mentions educational status. If education were a qualification for ministry, then the majority of Jesus’ disciples would not have been qualified. A second common objection is that Paul only restricted the women of Ephesus from teaching men (1 Timothy was written to Timothy, the pastor of the church in Ephesus). Ephesus was known for its temple to Artemis, and women were the authorities in that branch of paganism—therefore, the theory goes, Paul was only reacting against the female-led customs of the Ephesian idolaters, and the church needed to be different. However, the book of 1 Timothy nowhere mentions Artemis, nor does Paul mention the standard practice of Artemis worshipers as a reason for the restrictions in 1 Timothy 2:11–12.
A third objection is that Paul is only referring to husbands and wives, not men and women in general. The Greek words for “woman” and “man” in 1 Timothy 2 could refer to husbands and wives; however, the basic meaning of the words is broader than that. Further, the same Greek words are used in verses 8–10. Are only husbands to lift up holy hands in prayer without anger and disputing (verse 8)? Are only wives to dress modestly, have good deeds, and worship God (verses 9–10)? Of course not. Verses 8–10 clearly refer to all men and women, not just husbands and wives. There is nothing in the context that would indicate a narrowing to husbands and wives in verses 11–14.
Yet another objection to this interpretation of women in pastoral ministry is in relation to women who held positions of leadership in the Bible, specifically Miriam, Deborah, and Huldah in the Old Testament. It is true that these women were chosen by God for special service to Him and that they stand as models of faith, courage, and, yes, leadership. However, the authority of women in the Old Testament is not relevant to the issue of pastors in the church. The New Testament Epistles present a new paradigm for God’s people—the church, the body of Christ—and that paradigm involves an authority structure unique to the church, not for the nation of Israel or any other Old Testament entity.
Similar arguments are made using Priscilla and Phoebe in the New Testament. In Acts 18, Priscilla and Aquila are presented as faithful ministers for Christ. Priscilla’s name is mentioned first, perhaps indicating that she was more prominent in ministry than her husband. Did Priscilla and her husband teach the gospel of Jesus Christ to Apollos? Yes, in their home they “explained to him the way of God more adequately” (Acts 18:26). Does the Bible ever say that Priscilla pastored a church or taught publicly or became the spiritual leader of a congregation of saints? No. As far as we know, Priscilla was not involved in ministry activity in contradiction to 1 Timothy 2:11–14.
In Romans 16:1, Phoebe is called a “deacon” (or “servant”) in the church and is highly commended by Paul. But, as with Priscilla, there is nothing in Scripture to indicate that Phoebe was a pastor or a teacher of men in the church. “Able to teach” is given as a qualification for elders, but not for deacons (1 Timothy 3:1–13; Titus 1:6–9).
The structure of 1 Timothy 2:11–14 makes the reason why women cannot be pastors perfectly clear. Verse 13 begins with “for,” giving the “cause” of Paul’s statement in verses 11–12. Why should women not teach or have authority over men? Because “Adam was created first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived” (verses 13–14). God created Adam first and then created Eve to be a “helper” for Adam. The order of creation has universal application in the family (Ephesians 5:22–33) and in the church.
The fact that Eve was deceived is also given in 1 Timothy 2:14 as a reason for women not serving as pastors or having spiritual authority over men. This does not mean that women are gullible or that they are all more easily deceived than men. If all women are more easily deceived, why would they be allowed to teach children (who are easily deceived) and other women (who are supposedly more easily deceived)? The text simply says that women are not to teach men or have spiritual authority over men because Eve was deceived. God has chosen to give men the primary teaching authority in the church.
Many women excel in gifts of hospitality, mercy, teaching, evangelism, and helping/serving. Much of the ministry of the local church depends on women. Women in the church are not restricted from public praying or prophesying (1 Corinthians 11:5), only from having spiritual teaching authority over men. The Bible nowhere restricts women from exercising the gifts of the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 12). Women, just as much as men, are called to minister to others, to demonstrate the fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22–23), and to proclaim the gospel to the lost (Matthew 28:18–20; Acts 1:8; 1 Peter 3:15).
God has ordained that only men are to serve in positions of spiritual teaching authority in the church. This is not because men are necessarily better teachers or because women are inferior or less intelligent (which is not the case). It is simply the way God designed the church to function. Men are to set the example in spiritual leadership—in their lives and through their words. Women are to take a less authoritative role. Women are encouraged to teach other women (Titus 2:3–5). The Bible also does not restrict women from teaching children. The only activity women are restricted from is teaching or having spiritual authority over men. This precludes women from serving as pastors to men. This does not make women less important, by any means, but rather gives them a ministry focus more in agreement with God’s plan and His gifting of them.